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The CORRECT Way To Tie-Down A GoldWing On A Trailer!!

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I know I will take some heat for this one, but if it helps just one person, so be it.

First off, yes, Goldwings are not "made" to be tied to a trailer, but that does not mean that it CAN'T be done, and done in the safest way possible. I have been trailering cars, trucks, and motorcycles for almost 30 years without problems or damage.

The basics of motorcycle tie down: With a sturdy chock (or the like), tie front of the bike by pulling the forks almost all the way compressed with straps to the lower triple clamp. You might have to remove some trim/tupperware to do this as I do with my 1500. That's it for the front. For the rear, strap the wheel/tire down securely to the trailer, that's it. If you tie to any 'sprung parts' you take the chance of shock loading and damage. NEVER tie down with the kick/side stand down. Proper tongue weight is also critical for towing safety. Once loaded on the trailer, the tongue should be between 10% and 15% of the TOTAL GROSS WEIGHT OF THE TRAILER.

The following is edited from a few of my posts over the years and new info I have added.

The front suspension (forks) is almost fully compressed by straps to the lower triple clamp and around the forks with the front wheel being kept from turning in a sturdy chock; this stabilizes and locates almost the entire bike. With the front done this way there is VERY little chance of a bump in the road causing the forks to compress any further to cause shock loading of the straps during the 'rebound'; also note that the front of the bike will be more on the tongue of the trailer and have a softer ride. If you tie the rear of the bike down by the "frame" (any sprung place) and you hit a bump in the road you will induce a shock load (rebound) on the straps and the frame (or seat, or crash bars, or...) will take this loading and is subject to failure because they are NOT designed for that type of loading. Note that this can bend or break your frame or other parts if you don't ALMOST FULLY 'LOAD' THE REAR SUSPENSION like the front!! Remember that there is more weight of the bike on the rear suspension and it will take LOTS of effort to pull it down as far as would be needed to keep shock loads from occurring. If you tie the rear of the bike DOWN securely by the rear wheel/tire, the weight of the bike (sprung weight) will ride on the rear suspension and there will be no shock loads to damage anything. Remember, the rear wheel and tire assy. has been designed to carry the weight of the bike, plus rider / passenger and hit normal sized bumps and holes in the road without damage, so it can take it. Also, if the bike has the side stand or center stand down while being trailered, a bump in the road can bend or fracture your frame.

The lower triple clamp is SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than the upper or the handlebars, and is a much better place to use. It also keeps the straps shorter and because of that they have less room to stretch. The only reason to use the upper clamp or handlebar at the clamp for ligher bikes without fairings or windshields is for ease of strapping, but its not better; EVER.

I purchased and installed a wheel chock from Harbor Freight in my enclosed trailer:
http://www.harborfreight.com/motorcycle-stand-wheel-chock-97841.html
I like this chock because I can ride into the trailer, put the front tire in, and step off the bike and it holds the bike; no need to for the kick/side stand or center stand. This chock had the typical issues that are mentioned in the reviews, and I took care of most of them, as well as did some of my own upgrades. The big problem was getting the bike back out of the chock, and the bike's reverse would just barely do it. Not wanting to over stress the reverse, I decided to solve the problem; see the photos without the bike. I can now pull the 1500 out of the chock with only ME power! I can provide more details if people want, but sorry, I will not build them for people. The best part is I made it from scrap I had; yea, it could look better....

Not trusting the whimpy tie downs with the Harbor Frieght chock (10MM threads), I added tie down points are attached to sections of angle I welded to the frame of the trailer under the floor. I bolted the vertical part not only to the horiz part of the chock, but also to the frame of the trailer. Tie down locations should be placed slightly forward of an imaginary line extending straight off the bottoms of the forks as they are with the bike loaded. This pulls the bike into the chock. (NOTE: The Kendon I had was made for bikes without fairings and to be hooked to the handle bars, so when strapped to the lower triple clamp it would pull the bike out of the chock; I modified it to work, but have sense sold it) For my enclosed I also installed a metal brace between the frame rails to provide support under the chock (under the front tire), as well as doing the same where the rear tire rests. In my total madness, I also drilled holes through the trailer floor and ran bolts to where the 'feet' would have been in the bottom of the chock (more redundancy...). You can see in the photo where the front tire sits on my modified chock. The gizmo is pinned so I can remove it like the movable part of the chock. I can also remove it to load (if I like to keep my left shin intact), and with a bike loaded I can stow it in place with the foot pad part on the floor of the trailer.

Please note the double straps in the front. I use the crappy tie down points for my slip straps both as redundency, but also to aide in the removal of the bike. The ratchet style, when released is QUICKLY and FULLY released, where the others allow a slow, controlled release. Also, I added a redundant strap for the rear for this trip. The main rears loop around the tire, go through add-a-links and then to the rear of the floor. This helps because the straps are still too long for proper use if hooked closer. Note that these points could also have been placed toward the front if the trailer is shorter; mine is a 12x6 (wanted shorter, but found this one used at a good price). Do not put these tie down points too close to each other as it can make the floor weak, unless you add bracing. Having two pairs at the rear wheel area allows me to strap down a wide varitiy of bikes, and be fully redundant with Wings, but most of what I load are Wings anyway. Yes, its a pain to loop around the lower triple clamp, and I have to crawl under the bike to strap the rear tire too; not fun, but if that's what it takes.....

The photos of my bike strapped in the trailer is how it was for a 3000 mile round trip to where we did a 700 mile ride. (only done to extend my riding season)

To assist people that might be either modifying or making a small trailer to haul their Wing, here is some info on the Kendon I had:
http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums...al-motorcycle-discussion-forum/374335-kendon-big-bike-trailer-1500-too-big.html
http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums...cle-discussion-forum/36121d1315518429-kendon-big-bike-trailer-1500-too-big-.jpg
The photo in the second link shows about where the axle needs to be in relation to the bike for proper tongue weight, provided the tongue length is similar. Note that the first photo of the loaded bike in that thread has a strap hanging from the crash bar, but not strapped there.

Almost every trailer is different, and using the following information might not work without modification or repair, so use your own judgment before trailering. Also, sometimes emergency situations dictate MAKING things work. Damaged bikes, flat tires, or other problems might dictate doing things one might not normally do.

Don't get really cheap when it comes to the details. I don't know why people can drop tens of thousands on the bike, then want to strap it down with $2 straps around a $45. rear tire (I digress....) As for the straps, get good, thick, durable straps with sturdy ratchets. Get solid tie down points for the trailer, and a durable chock. If it looks flimsy, either make it better or don't use it.

If your motorcycle is improperly tied down, or the tie-downs fail, and it 'frees itself' while being towed it could cost you your life! A few years ago we were just entering PA northbound on I-81 and there was a Ford Ranger just in front of us (about 5 seconds) that had a small equipment trailer loaded with a medium sized rider mower on it. We were both traveling about the speed limit, daytime, clear, medium to light traffic, dry pavement with no abnormal bumps. I don't know the reason, but the mower slid back on the trailer, and the trailer started swaying, BAD. After only a couple seconds, the truck and trailer did a "540" off to the right shoulder. Somehow there was no contact with us or anyone else. We helped the driver 're-secure' the mower to the front of the trailer and get back moving. It was amazing to see how what would seem to be relatively little do so much. Yea, it was a small truck, but it was also a small trailer and fairly small mower; you do the math. If it had been on a trailer without side rails and a tail gate who knows what would have happened to those behind him.

Just because someone has 'never had a problem' doing this differently does not automatically indicate that their way is 'correct'. its more likely that they have just been lucky. Do a search and you will find threads about broken or bent frames, bent crash bars, and other damage.

If you don't feel safe following the information I provided, or disagree with it, then don't use it and do it the way you want. There is no way to predict or prepare for every contingency, and crashes or other occurrences might cause issues no matter what you do.

Hope I covered everything (if not I know I will hear about it), and I hope this helps others be safe.


Bill

ADDED: I will be editing and adding info to this post as I think of it, or to correct spelling/grammar.
 

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I bought a Condor wheel chock, and only use two straps when securing my 1800. Take off the side tupperware, and secure to the frame to a slightly forward tie down spot. Compresses both front and back and have never had a problem. Will take pictures this spring when loading up and post. The chock was expensive, and the tie downs were also costly, but well worth the investment. The bike is extremely secure this way, and no way of over compressing the forks chancing blowing out the fork seals.:waving:
 
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I bought a Condor wheel chock, and only use two straps when securing my 1800. Take off the side tupperware, and secure to the frame to a slightly forward tie down spot. Compresses both front and back and have never had a problem. ....
Is the chock you are talking about?
http://www.goldwingparts.com/products/Condor-Wheel-Chock.html
If so, its nearly identical to the one I have, just more expensive. Also, if you tie your bike down to it any differently than I describe you are putting your Wing at risk.

Might I suggest you try something? The next time you load your bike your way, once its ready to go the way you do it, stand on the footpegs / boards and bounce up & down, side to side, front to back, fairly hard (this imitates what will happen while towing). If any of your straps briefly go slack while doing this, you should make some changes.

....and no way of over compressing the forks chancing blowing out the fork seals...
I have never heard of one doing that as a result of ONLY being tied down, with NO other factors (age, dirt, cheap aftermarket seals, improper install, forks not located properly in the triple clamp,.....). As a matter of fact, I have never had one go during or right after being trailered. I have had one have a front brake caliper seize, but that was due to the typical corrosion behind the seals and was just a coincidence that it happed then.


Bill
 
#9 ·
Re: blowing fork seals. HD must sell about a million of them, as the majority of bikes I see hauled on trailers or the back of pickups are HD's and they are all tied down with straps of some sort. Most bounce around when on slightly imperfect roads. I have not heard of anyone 'blowing the seals' because of hauling. Should be no more stress on the seals than when riding on a rough road. Seals are not designed to keep hydraulic pressure in, just a small amount of air pressure on some models.
 
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Bill - Great ideas. I just spent seven days builidng a trailer just so I could drive 350 miles and pickup my "New to Me" GL1100. I pretty much just built it by the seat of my pants because I had never owned a GW. I did get it home with no problems but I see that I tied it down wrong as well as other "wrongs". I can now modify the trailer and do it right.

--Mitch--
 
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Bill, what's your opinion of this system?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9szax4vSyM&feature=youtu.be

I must be the exception to your 'no blown fork seals' claim. And I did NOT over-tighten the front straps on my Valk when I tied it down. Strapping down the wheel, as opposed to the front forks, seems to be far more logical. Allow the front suspension to work as designed instead of restricting it.

p.s. question for the mods - how do we embed a Youtube video? If I try to insert the 'imbed' info it doesn't even show up on the post.
 
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....I must be the exception to your 'no blown fork seals' claim.....
I have never had a fork seal issue from trailering, and I don't know where you think I said anything else. (quote me if I did) Fork seals fail, and just because they fail during or just after transport does not automatically indicate what the cause REALLY was. Again, I had a caliper hang up while unloading a bike from a 1400 trip, does that indicate that the trailering was the true cause if this failure? I suspect over filled forks and/or worn seals, and/or dirt/damage. Remember that some people blame heel/toe shifters for 4th gear failures in 1500s, but there are the same failures on 1500s than never had a heel/toe shifter. Heck, there are even some people that think that the size of the 'contact patch' on one tire VS. another has more to do with traction than the 'rubber compound'. :ROFL:

About the other thing you mentioned:
In an ideal situation, and only if you have the proper apparatus (NEVER SEEN IT), securing a motorcycle by the wheels/tires (only) is a great way to secure a motorcycle, BUT: As the motorcycle suspension travels (front and rear) the wheelbase changes, therefore any system for securing the motorcycle STRICTLY by the wheels/tires would have to expand and contract in length without putting stresses on the bike, or need to either let the bike 'roll' slightly WITHOUT letting the bike lift off the deck. Doing this would require chocks that have significant contact around the wheels/tires to keep the bike vertical. This is not TOO hard for the front, but the rear would be a challenge at best, even for bikes without saddlebags. Also remember that if held in place ONLY with the wheels/tires, the use of ANY straps to the frame or other sprung weight will slack/shock as the bike bounces, UNLESS the suspension is almost fully compressed, and than at that point you defeat the goals of such an elaborate, and most likely, expensive system. Because I have NEVER seen anything like this that could work, and understanding the expense and complexity of such a system, I use and posted information that I did.

YES, the technique I talked about in my first post will have the bike pivot on the front axle over bumps, and YES, the front straps will change tension during this, HOWEVER this is minimal and the reason that I state that they need to be ALMOST fully compressed. The reason for this is the wheelbase will change, but with only the rear suspension traveling, the change to the front will be minimal, and with the way I strap the rear tire will allow it to roll slightly if needed but not lift. What is critical to note here is the angle of the front straps and that the rear of the bike will only move a few inches in oven the largest normal bumps. For example: 3" near the rear of the bike (50" rear of the triple clamp), with the geometry involved, will be nominal to the front straps. Due to the straps NOT going slack during this movement of the motorcycle (any of them), the bike is allowed to absorb bumps without shock loads under normal conditions.

AGAIN: Strap YOUR bike the way YOU want; its your bike, your trailer, your money....


Bill
 
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I can't make the "imbed" links work.

forget those, just use the URL in the web address line and post it.

The forum will automatically convert that link to an imbedded YouTube video.

This is just a random video I found in the Funny category, all I am doing is posting the URL link.

http://www........youtube.....com/watch?v=vaIbpSaEoYc
I added extra dots to let you see what I did.... and to keep the forum from converting it to a video




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#14 ·
I like how you do the rear, never really had a problem hauling the Vulcans from tying the rear down, but then again I compress the suspension near full and they are light bikes any way. Left a helmet sitting on the seat once, it was still there 280 miles later when I fueled and checked the bikes. Torsion suspension on that trailer. Some Ahole stole it.
 
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#16 ·
IMO if at the end of a trailer trip the fork seals are leaking, you pulled the straps down so tight they were resting on the bottom of the forks travel. This means hydrolock on the oil.

I pull my straps down until the forks are totally compressed (this means against the oil in the fork tubes) and then let them back up 2 inches ~

Leaking fork seals means the forks compressed down until they hit the oil... that is what blows the seals.

In my 50+ years of strapping down a bike, I have never, ever blown a fork seal.
And that is a lot of bikes, or 1,000s of miles and some of those miles over the roughest terrain you can pull a trailer over.
 
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I have NEVER trailered a bike with the forks completely compressed. I've changed enough fork seals over the years to know better and tell the owners of the bikes I've worked on not to do it or else they'll be back in the garage in a minute. My practice, and recommendations, have always to do as you suggest, John.

Though you may never have had a problem with the fork seals on your bikes, doesn't mean its not a problem. A cursory search on this Forum would indicate those that have NEVER had a problem with fork seals on trailered bikes are in the minority. I would even argue that its one of the main reasons this thread exists. A Forum member trying to help out others that have had problems in the past.

But I'm always open to new ideas. And I had never seen the 'Lock-n-Load' until a fellow rider mentioned it. Seems novel and new and one I might consider. After more research and opinions of why or why not it might be a feasible and easy method to trailer a bike. But if you've found the perfect method, by all means, stick with it.
 
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Lock-N-Load

Please forgive me if I make a mistake while replying. IMO that Lock-N-Load video should be taken down because it falsely represent's the proper way to tie down a fully dressed bike and trailer it. Last year I was prepping my enclosed to take my wing to Texas and i did exactly what he did in the video. Needless to say I should have come to the forum first to get good advice. I went no more then 3 miles from my house and pulled over to check the bike. I opened the door to find my bike laying on the wall. I turned around and drove back ever so gingerly and attempted to stand the bike back up. I ended up breaking my mirror and hurting my wrist to the point that I couldn't ride for close to a month. Now I'm hesitant on even putting it in the trailer. http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/images/emoticons/lash.gif.pagespeed.ce.E0ay9HFqx2.gif
 
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I also agree that the Lock-N-Load gadget is a sure fire way to ruin a good Goldwing.

You do NOT tie down the rear end of the bike that way.

Tie the rear wheel down side to side, leave the suspension loose to do what it was designed for: Absorb the bumps.
 
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#22 ·
ok, going to throw my 2 cents in here. Trailering a vehicle is hard on the suspension. How do I know? I build high performance street rods and drag cars for a living. I have delivered cars in the past and crawled under to unhook the car and the shocks are HOT, not a little warm but HOT. This is coming out of a 28 ft. tandem axle enclosed trailer that rides very well. Because of the expense of race quality suspension components I have changed the way I transport cars. The cars ride on 4 air bags and are tied down front and rear. I know this is not a viable method to haul bikes and I am not suggesting it. My only point is that in my experience there is something that happens on a trailer that wears out suspension parts at a higher rate than if the car/bike were driven the same distance. Harmonics? Don't know. I just know it is there.
 
#24 ·
Re: blowing fork seals.

I blew out the seals on my 1500 by not tighting the front straps all the way down, on the move from Florida to Tennessee.
People report seals going from compressing the forks too much AND not enough, yet others never have problems with fork seals. Again, this is similar to the '4th gear issue' with 1500s where some people claim heel/toe shifters are to blame, but there are trans failures on bikes that never had heel/toe shifters installed.


Bill
 
#25 ·
Thanks Bill, as well as others for your input on this subject. As I am leaving soon on vacation, I got on the forum for just this topic. I have hauled bikes in my truck for years but not my new to me 1500. The way I tied down my Shadow was different and never caused any problems, but I will definitely modify my methods for the Wing. I'm glad the maiden voyage is a short one to shake out all the kinks.
Thanks again!
 
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#26 ·
When I researched this prior to trailering my 1500 home I found a site that indicated that for securing the front end, the attachment points on the trailer should be 24 inches to the side and about even with the front edge of the front tire or slightly forward of that. I post this only because the experience I had showed this to work very well for pulling the front end secure while avoiding any issues with the body work. I also utilized the straps looped around the fork tubes over the lower triple clamp. I bought the bike used and found that the PO had these straps on the bike and just left them there. My original thought was that this probably wasn't a bad idea. I now think that seeing as they are not hard to install at all, I will be removing mine and keeping them in my side bag, out of the elements.

Ride Safe!
 
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