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| Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 11:54 pm | 1st Post |
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hi wingers, larry the new guy here again with more questions , please help lol. i bought some coolant for my wing ,after i drained my radiater to check my timing belts,then i found out it takes a silicate free coolant,what i got is prestone quick fill 50/50preduluted. it does not say anything about silicate anywhere on bottle ,it does say it is used by every major auto manufac torer ,and it says you can add it to any color coolant,,is there anyone who can assure me this is ok to put in my 84 gl1200 aspy.? thanks again guys this is the best site , im usually here for hours reading .larry.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 12:05 am | 2nd Post |
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welcome, to the best site in the world, as far as the antifreeze goes, i used that stuff in mine but just for a little bit. i eventually changed to the honda brand, just for peace of mind. if you have the wrong coolant it will corrode the engine.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 02:29 am | 3rd Post |
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Normal anti freeze in your goldwing will promote corrosion and will not disipate as well as silicate free coolant. If your product does not specify that it is silicate free or very low silicate level, than it most likely isnt the stuff that you should use. the heat displacing properties of the proper coolant are very important to your wing!! Welcome to the forum Larry!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 02:30 am | 4th Post |
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Most coolants contain silicates, unless the bottle specifically states that it is silicate free you would be well advised not to use it.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 02:36 am | 5th Post |
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English Bob wrote: Most coolants contain silicates, unless the bottle specifically states that it is silicate free you would be well advised not to use it. This is correct... I suspect that the Prestone 50/50 is a typical "low silicate" blend that is used in the auto industry... Silicates don't do anything for heat transfer and they are not necessarily a bad additive because they tend to "automatically" seal any small cracks or holes. New car manufacturers typically give a pellet of silicates into the bottom of every radiator that is made.... but the problem for our motorcycles (and a host of others, including some cars) is that the silicates, when they dry out basically form glass... and this glass breaks down into glass dust that wears out the coolant seals in water pumps ... Some will claim that the silicates block the small passages of the radiator... this is probably not any more an issue with motorcycles than it is cars.. (and you won't find any of this on the ASE test  )YOu can use silicate free... best to use the honda approved stuff... Last edited on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 01:22 am by sandiegobrass ____________________ Please consider helping Rudy at the link... LINK TO HELP RUDY --------------- Have a Gold Wing? Please take the AGE POLL HERE ! --------------- If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong? --------------- SDB/Jim 2000 GL1500SE in CA 1983 GL1100I in SC --------------- But formerly San Diego and now "temporarily" Aiken, SC |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 02:48 am | 6th Post |
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Regular Prestone does contain silicates which will shorten the life of your water pump so don't use that. Prestone Extended Life and Havoline Dex Cool antifreeze is silicate free and safe for your Goldwing. If you buy undiluted antifreeze be sure to mix it with distilled or demineralized water, not tap water.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 08:45 am | 7th Post |
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Hello Larry, there are a lot of threads about this on the forum and a quick search will bring up tons of info. Here are two useful ones; http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=3513&forum_id=1 http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=854&forum_id=1
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 08:57 am | 8th Post |
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The antifreeze you want to use is "ORANGE", not green or yellow.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 10:41 am | 9th Post |
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If you do choose to use orange coolant flush out the cooling system completely with water to get all the green antifreeze out. The mixture of the 2 causes some nasty reaction that will clog things up.
____________________ I am doing the best I can so don't give me any crap. Honorary Wild Rhino Darksider #304 the force is strong in this one. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 10:52 am | 10th Post |
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http://www.evanscooling.com/main3.htm Check this out, info Hobie turned me on to about a new type of coolant.
____________________ I am doing the best I can so don't give me any crap. Honorary Wild Rhino Darksider #304 the force is strong in this one. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 01:53 pm | 11th Post |
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If you choose to use a dexcool instead of HONDA anti freeze,be prepared to change it regularly. They promote it as 5 year/50,000 miles and they mean it.It is an acid base rather than glycol and as it ages and breaks down it does get corosive.This is why in the automotive industry we try to change it out after warrenty has expired. Dont get me wrong,there is a reason auto manufacturers have gone to it,and thats a long story in its own,but it was basically a bandaid for multple internal intake and WP leaks that forced them to find a coolant that mixed with engine oil with out pluging oil galleys. Keep in mind these acid based antifreezes(dexcool...)have only been around since 1996,I myself just go to HONDA and get what they intended for my 1983.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 03:58 pm | 12th Post |
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Yep, I have used the waterless silicate free Evans NPG+ for 3 years. I like it a lot. Hobie
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 05:01 pm | 13th Post |
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Davogd430 wrote: If you do choose to use orange coolant flush out the cooling system completely with water to get all the green antifreeze out. The mixture of the 2 causes some nasty reaction that will clog things up.tory wrote: .It is an acid base rather than glycol and as it ages and breaks down it does get corosive.This is why in the automotive industry we try to change it out after warrenty has expired........but it was basically a bandaid for multple internal intake and WP leaks that forced them to find a coolant that mixed with engine oil with out pluging oil galleys. Just as further understanding,... the silicates (in the typical automotive "green stuff") are in the form of what is called "water glass" that is soluble in water if the ph is basic, but as it becomes acidic (ph significantly less than 7), it solidifies into a gel like substance, or even a solid...that is why you must not mix it... this also helps explain why the goldwing water pumps are more susceptible than others... the water glass (silicates) leaking through the water pump will meet at the same place that the acidic engine oil seeps (above the weep hole) hence forming the "glass" that wears out the seals Also, how many times (for goldwings) do you hear about oil in the coolant or coolant in the oil... all too frequently.... you can see the problems from the above discussions... SDB/Jim
____________________ Please consider helping Rudy at the link... LINK TO HELP RUDY --------------- Have a Gold Wing? Please take the AGE POLL HERE ! --------------- If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong? --------------- SDB/Jim 2000 GL1500SE in CA 1983 GL1100I in SC --------------- But formerly San Diego and now "temporarily" Aiken, SC |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 07:34 pm | 14th Post |
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Yes and you are correct SDB, And I am not recomending a silicate coolant,rather a HONDA coolant over DEXCOOL. My feeling however,wheather it be a bike or car,is to FIX THE LEAK,not look for a coolant that will mix with oil,therefore fixing the sympton. The auto manufactorers are correct in there theries,but they are assuming folks will keep driving there 2.7 dodge intrepid with an internal W/P leak,or 3.1 chevy with a constant but slow intake leak,witch with glycol antfreeze will plug the oil galleys and on the 2.7 thats a garenteed death sentance.Not bad thinking.Cll around and try to find a used 2.7 chrysler V6,this is why. I however will not ride my bike if it has a antifreeze leak,no matter how slow.I will fix the leak.These things dont hold much coolant,it dont take long to notice a problem. Both green and red coolants have a good and bad side,its up to you as to witch bad side you want to deal with.If you change the coolant in youre bike every other year you will have no problem with the dexcool,its the people that neglect the vehicles and do not keep it fresh that have the problems.THIS STUFF GET CORROSIVE when it gets old. Still,my honda was happy without it for the last 25 years,and content with mother hondas blend,Ill stick with that.Then I know.  Last edited on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 07:39 pm by tory ____________________ 1983 gl1100 interstate |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 11:26 pm | 15th Post |
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The correct antifreeze to use is a silicate free type and you can get it from your local Honda auto dealer. It's Honda's "TYPE 2" non-silicate/non borate engine coolant and it comes in 1 gallon container & is 50/50 prediluted ready to use and it is GREEN. If you use a antifreeze that has silicates in it it will eventually damage the water pump seals. I currently have the Honda Type 2 in my 83 GL1100I. Last edited on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 08:15 pm by 83GoldWinger ____________________ 83GoldWinger 1983 GL1100 Interstate Bought New 25 Jan 1983 Candy Regal Brown (the most popular color) __________________________________________ 1968 Honda CL350 Bought in 1969 (and still have it) ___________________________________________ Photos of my '83 Interstate in the photo gallery. http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/gallery_view.php |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 01:41 pm | 16th Post |
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83goldwinger I wholeheartly agree with you,and WELCOME to the forum.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 03:09 pm | 17th Post |
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Is that a Fairliner that you have there 83GoldWinger? That was my first boat when I lived in Kent...served me many years! Great cruising you have up there!! On the water I mean. Cheers, Ric
____________________ 1986 Aspencade Master Mason Disabled Vietnam Veteran PADI SCUBA Assistant Instructor Combat Veterans Association Patriot Guard Riders God bless our troops!! |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 04:37 pm | 18th Post |
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ric Yes it is a Fairliner which I've owned for almost 18 years and yes we have so many miles of inland waters to cruise on Puget Sound. It's a boaters paradise out here! tory Thanks for the WELCOME!! Last edited on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 08:24 pm by 83GoldWinger ____________________ 83GoldWinger 1983 GL1100 Interstate Bought New 25 Jan 1983 Candy Regal Brown (the most popular color) __________________________________________ 1968 Honda CL350 Bought in 1969 (and still have it) ___________________________________________ Photos of my '83 Interstate in the photo gallery. http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/gallery_view.php |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 10:08 pm | 19th Post |
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Just reading up on this topic and rememebred that the coolant that I removed from my bike during the head gasket job was Green.Maybe we can also give someinfo for other as to how to flush and remove any silicates left in the block of the radiator. Is it just plain water or a radiator flush we should use. Jose
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 01:12 am | 20th Post |
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A plain water flush with a short run on the engine should do the job fine. Even a fill up and drain with water should clean out the old stuff well enough but it's better if you can run the engine enough to open the thermostat. I don't think the color of the coolant is critical, there are non silicate coolants in more than one color.
____________________ If you can't ride, fly or sail it, why bother? 2001 Goldwing 1800 Paul W. |
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