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isundby
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 12:44 pm | 1st Post |
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Hello all from Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
I am a recently new owner of an '86 SEi, and am admittedly NOT an electrics-friendly person. I have a couple of issues that I have a feeling are tied to a single, common wire SOMEWHERE in the system, but I cannot understand the electrical schematics of the Honda manual or the Clymer manuals. I am hoping that someone can lead me in the right direction.
There are a couple issues:
1. The Auto-Levelling system does not work at all.
2. The trunk light does not work.
The Auto-levelling system is of the most importance to me. There is absolutely no display, and no response at all to control actions.
Additionally, the radio will work through the headsets, but not through the speakers. The CB ? Well, that's likely an ignorance issue with the driver  .
I expect for some reason that the trunk light is related to the wiring of the auto-levelling, but again, that is obviously very much secondary to the auto-levelling. Any assistance in figuring out where I should go would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Ian
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Ian Sundby, Alberta, Canada
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rcmatt007
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 01:16 pm | 2nd Post |
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| I cannot help you, but you might also try http://www.gl1200goldwings.com for specific 1200 questons. btw, where y'all from?
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 03:35 pm | 3rd Post |
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With respect to the sound reaching headset but not speakers: Make sure the switch is set for speakers... not headset... or can be wiring issue; broken wires in the 5 pin connectors within the left fairing pocket, or contacts within the 48pin connector on the rear of the radio. Could be speakers not plugged in, or damaged speakers (this is where to start by the way), or radio function (when you are sure about all else, send the radio to Sierra and have them test it for $85 or swap with it someone else's and see if it works.
Trunk light...burnt out light blub? Are you getting 12V when either of the brakes are depressed/squeezed - if not check fuse, then broken wires. Chances are both brake switches are not defective at the same time, so check each. Is power getting to each (12V)?.
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isundby
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 05:37 pm | 4th Post |
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Thanks, rcmatt007 ....
It was late last night when I joined (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz), so I forgot to complete my profile. I am from Alberta, Canada.
In anything that I read anywhere else concerning the auto-levelling suspension system, it always assumes that the system itself shows power at the display. Mine does not, hence MY thought that there is a wiring issue at the root of it. It's entriely possible that once I get a display, that there may be more clean-up that needs to be done, but I won't know until I can guarantee that there is power to the system (you know.. the vicious circle).
Also, I would be happy for time-being (until I can get this issue resolved) to manually pressurize the system, but I can only find the 3-way air-joint above the brake master cylinder. If I remove that hose and place on a compressor to pressurize the suspension, obviously, I cannot reconnect the hose in time without losing the pressure. Is there any sort of a 3 way connection I can set in there that would allow for manual pressurization ?
Hey JBurf. Thanks for the reply as well.
As far as the radio goes, I have ensured that I have pressed the "headset/speaker" button, and truly, there is no sound (the person I bought the bike from had thought it might be the "amplifier"). It's enitriely possible that the speakers are bad, but I can't think it would be ALL 4. I will check all the things you recommend. Thanks.
The trunk light is the little vanity light. Not a big concern. Are you thinking I'm talking about a trunk BRAKE light? All brake lighting is fine. I just thought it MIGHT be connected in some way to the wiring of the auto-levelling system. The trunk light is obviously WAY down on my list of importance.
Thanks for the responses so far guys. It is GREATLY appreciated.
Regards,
Ian
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pauln
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 06:07 pm | 5th Post |
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First, do you have the supplemental Honda manual for the LTD or SEi? If not, you can download one at http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/forum9/21054.html
You are going to need a volt-ohm-meter (VOM) to check things out. If you don't have one, you can get one for as little as $10.
The light is easy - just take the bulb out and us the VOM to check for voltage. Remember, there is also a manual switch on the light that allows you to turn it off - make sure that is on.
There should be a troubleshooting procedure in the manual for the air suspension. You indicate that the auto-leveling system is bad, but that is really a subset of the entire air suspension system. You should be able to pump up the front and rear even if the auto level system did not work. You will need to first determine if you are getting power to the components that need power.
Electrical problems can be tough to root out, but if you have enough time and patience, you should be able to logically check things until you figure it out.
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isundby
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 06:35 pm | 6th Post |
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You are correct, Paul. It is a subset .... Nothing works at all. I can't increase or decrease pressure at all. I guess I was erroneous referring to it as the auto-levelling system, as opposed to the on-board suspension air-compressor system. Again, there is no power to the panel, and no sounds when using the controls, so I can't pump up the suspension at all. As I mentioned in my reply, I'd be fine with being able to manually pressurize if possible.
Sorry, I'm just not very knowledgeable about the mechanics of it all. Just love riding, and want to be able to maintian the wing myself ultimately. It just seems like a daunting task initially.
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JimC
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 09:02 pm | 7th Post |
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Greetings, I have an 85 LTD which is very similar to the SEI. I have been working on my air suspension system (off and on ) for about 3 weeks and haven't yet found my problem. On my bike, the valve near the rear brake MC has an air valve on it (like a valve stem) where I can add air to the rear shocks but I cannot find anything similar for the front. If you add air there, be careful to not overinflate the shocks. It doesn't take much to pump them up.
If I remember correctly, one question in the trouble shooting steps does correlate the trunck light with the air compression system. You must have the manual with the LTD/SEI supplement; it's hopeless without that. Download that right away. When I have a chance I'll try to locate that reference for you but that may only be the beginning so go for the manual. You'll need it anyway. BTW, the air suspension system has it's own relay and I think it;s tied into 3-4 different fuses so check ALL of the fuse right away.
JimC in NC
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isundby
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 09:17 pm | 8th Post |
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Hey JimC......
Thanks a bunch. I appreciate your reply. I do have the manuals.
I will check the 3 way joint again when I get home, but I could not find any sort of "valve" there. I sure HOPE it has one ....
I believe I checked all the fuses before, but will certainly do that again as well.
Thanks Jim. I hope we can figure this out. I have a long ride planned with my Wife to Winnipeg Manitoba in August, and want to get this taken care of asap.
Regards,
Ian
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JimC
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 09:52 pm | 9th Post |
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Don't give up without a fight ! Even if you can't get the system working like it is supposed to work, you still have a few options. I am looking a ways to convert the forks to a manual air valve arrangement like many of the other models have. If that fails, I may just install progressive springs in the forks which are said to eliminate the need for air.
JimC in NC (USA)
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isundby
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 03:15 am | 10th Post |
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Well Jim, as I expected, I can only see the 90 degree 3-way joint that I saw before. I am thinking that for the interim, I may disconnect the main air hose from the 3-way joint, and place a tire-valve topper on it, which allows you to pump air without removing the cap... I hope you know what I'm talking about.
I THINK I may have found something in the "1986 GL1200 Electrical Troubleshooting Manual". on page 40, it shows the "Ground Distribution" for the SE-i.
EVERYTHING that seems to be affected (Suspension components AND trunk light, which I also checked directly against the battery, where it DID light (radio excluded) meets at "S100".... Now I just have to figure out WHERE that is. If ANYONE knows this manual, and can point me immediately to S100, I would be grateful (of course, I've been SO GRATEFUL for all the help I've already received).
Thanks folks. 
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JimC
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 09:59 pm | 11th Post |
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Ian,
I don't know what kind of valve topper you are referring to, but I would sure like to know more about that since that might be a "manual" solution to my problem for the front forks. Is that something available at a local auto parts store? I will look at my wiring diagram this evening to see if I can spot the S100.
JimC in NC (USA)
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isundby
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 04:51 am | 12th Post |
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Hey Jim.
What I was talking about was actually called a "valve extension". I bought a 4-pack today and tried it out. Silly me.... I went and bought the plastic ones, cuz I'm CHEAP  .
Well, my portable air pump nozzle wouldn't hold on to it, so I had to hold it on. The pressure reading capped at 60 psi, and when I took it away, there was air escaping, but not nearly as much without the extension on the 3-way joint. Then I realized.... duhhhhhh..... the joint doesn't have a valve, so there is nothing preventing the air escaping. Tomorrow, I am going back and buy the 4-pack METAL extensions. These actually have a THREAD at the end of the extension (check out the attached pic), so the nozzle head should clamp on with no problem. Also, I theorize that we SHOULD be able to thread the air-hose right into the extension .... I expect we will NEED to do that anyway, as there will still be some air pressure escaping anyway.
Let me try this out tomorrow, but it will be kinda late, as I will be out until about 1AM Friday, but I WON'T be going to bed until I can try it out. I will report back to you once I try it ....
On a different topic now, I am seeing a leak from the top of the left front shock. Well, I'll handle that one in a bit... I may take this one to a shop, simply because I don't want to be messing these up. Anyway, one thing at a time.
Take care, Jim... will let you know ASAP (you'll likely see it Friday morning).
Ian
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 05:14 am | 13th Post |
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Well, I tried, Jim. The metal extender did not thread all the way on to the joint, so, I could only fill to 60 psi before the air began escaping through the threads. Just to see whether the top thread on the extender would thread into the air hose itself, it was the same story, not threaded all the way.
The concept is correct, Jim. I'm SURE of that. It just appears that the extenders MAY have slightly different thread patterns. By the way.... the ones I picked up today were "Slime" brand that I purchased at Wal-Mart. I imagine that other brands will be different. I'll have to try more (different brands) on the week-end .... wish I could report some success.
I will be looking at tearing down the bike a bit when I can find a few moments this week-end too (running kids around to activities), hoping to find Splice100 ....
Well, keep the faith Jim. We'll get there.
Ian
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 03:52 pm | 14th Post |
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Been awhile .....
Update .... after chasing the "Ground Distribution Splice 100" thought, I discovered I was over-whelmed by the wiring beneath everything ..... so I finally thought... If the problem is in fact a bad ground, I SHOULD be able to test the trunk light (simplest circuit) by running a jumper-wire directly from the negative terminal of the battery to the trunk light itself. Well, it DIDN'T work .... (scratch my head here...). So I had the "brain-wave" to actually run directly from the POSITIVE terminal of the battery to the trunk light. It LIT UP !!!!! So, I guess it's the Power distribution that is the issue!
After more studying the wiring diagrams, I found that the trunk light and the suspension system components all seem to feed to the C36 (24-WHT) connection, mounted on the side of the right fairing .... well, I couldn't SEE/find it.... but last night, I was checking further at how some of the connections were routed between the frame and the fairing, and I found a connector that was TOTALLY NOT CONNECTED !!!! I pulled it up to get a better look, and it was a WHITE 24-pin connector !!!! after cleaning it off a bit, I managed to find it's home on the fairing, and eventually got it re-seated (big hands .. no help in tight places). I turned the key to on.... and got 3 dashes in the front and rear display of the Air Display !!!!! I also checked the trunk light ...... nice and bright !!!!! What a RUSH !!!!
I then began troubleshooting, and got mixed results, so need to re-try and get things straight, but initially, it looks like I can increase/decrease pressure to the front, but not the rear.... the auto-leveling doesn't seem to work ... nor does the pressure check .... I haven't gone so far as to pull the components out of the fairing yet and troubleshoot those.
Anyway, it's GREAT to actually solve one problem ....
Take care all.
Ian
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 07:57 pm | 15th Post |
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| cool beans.
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