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Beverly
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 03:13 am | 41st Post |
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JBZ wrote: i kinda misphrased that . in neutral does it take a while to get it up to 7000 rpm or does it slow down along the way and you have to rethrottle it to get to 7000rpm. after you get it to 7000 rpm does it take a while to drop back down to idle. jb
Yes, it will go down to around 3500 pretty quick but takes a little longer to go back to 1000
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JBZ
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 03:23 am | 42nd Post |
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| you might add a little marvel mystery oil or atf in the gas tank about 1/4 1/3 quart for a full tank and some more seafoam and ride it for a bit. It might smoke just a tad,<very little.> but that might help clean it up some . It sounds like dirty carbs to me. If you ride it enough there is always a chance it might clean up slowly. i just picked up my 9th wing a couple weeks ago. It sat since 1993. The first thing was to totally clean the tank. I got it goin and it got better but not good enough, I had to go through the carbs. jb Last edited on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 03:34 am by JBZ
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Shooter
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 03:33 am | 43rd Post |
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You did say that you put Sea Foam through the tank,(did you run out the entire tank), a couple of hundred miles or so? A heavier dose may help to clean-up the bottom end to mid range transition, but the back-firing tends to point to an overly lean condition.
You may be looking at a carb removal to get the floats set properly. And some would suggest that since the carbs are off the bike, you may as well go for the rebuild kits.
Before diving into the carbs why not give the hoses and clamps a good look-see, if the engine is sucking air/vacuum instead of fuel you could be chasing your tail for a long time trying to figure this thing out...
Don't want to start thinking of a belt being one tooth off yet, check the easy stuff first... 
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Beverly
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 03:45 am | 44th Post |
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Shooter wrote: You did say that you put Sea Foam through the tank,(did you run out the entire tank), a couple of hundred miles or so? A heavier dose may help to clean-up the bottom end to mid range transition, but the back-firing tends to point to an overly lean condition.
You may be looking at a carb removal to get the floats set properly. And some would suggest that since the carbs are off the bike, you may as well go for the rebuild kits.
Before diving into the carbs why not give the hoses and clamps a good look-see, if the engine is sucking air/vacuum instead of fuel you could be chasing your tail for a long time trying to figure this thing out...
Don't want to start thinking of a belt being one tooth off yet, check the easy stuff first...
Thanks, I'm kind of burnt out for today. The task at hand gets a bit overwhelming at times. Going to go have some dinner and relax a bit. it'll be there waiting for me tomorrow.
BTW, I like your photo...Aim for the cat...Funny!
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 04:12 am | 45th Post |
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I have found that seafoam works best when taken on short rides and let sit for a while rather than just run a tank out on a single trip. I don't think it has a chance to get to the slow jets and work on them if it is run out right away.
How does the air filter look? You might want to try a run without it to see if it makes a difference. Don't run it a long distance, just a test ride.
You might want to check for exhaust blockage too. Hold your hand behind the pipes and see if they both feel the same.
Hope some of this helps, and Welcome to the best Goldwing forum. 
Scott
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Lusting4Dragon
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 04:27 am | 46th Post |
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A few years ago, I bought my bike, (see Avatar) and it had sat a couple of years. It ran, but pretty crappy, couldn't get it over 55 going home. It took a couple of tanks of premium and some carb cleaner in the gas, and just running it as hard as I could, (high rpms). It finally opened up at about 200-300 miles, and has run fine ever since. I would recommend a little more Seafoam and running it as hard as you can, and see what happens before spending any money on the carbs.
MartyLast edited on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 04:28 am by Lusting4Dragon
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Armo
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 05:22 am | 47th Post |
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That tell me that the Slow idle jets are clogged. You really don't have much choice. but to clean out the carbs.
You will have peace of mind and a good nights rest knowing it was done right.
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chris in va
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 11:09 am | 48th Post |
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| If it's anything like my 1100 carb rebuild, I can certainly talk you through the procedure as it's still somewhat fresh in my mind. What I can't remember, the other guys can fill in.
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DougW
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 02:06 pm | 49th Post |
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I can't believe that the first mention of a possible exhaust blockage was Scott in post number 45. That could cause poor power.
I remember mention of some of the California bikes having restricted exhaust but I don't remember what years that was.
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don_berry
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 03:13 pm | 50th Post |
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as for having the carb rebuilt - comments wer made aboutr being more then it is worth, charging a hundred an hour etc - there are places you can send your carbs to (see Randakks site) that will rebuild your carbs for you. I have not looked in ages, but used to be under $400.00 from one place.
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Armo
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 03:29 pm | 51st Post |
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Rebuilding the carbs is the easy part, removing and reinstalling them is not for the faint of heart.
That's where the labor adds up.
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Beverly
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 08:20 pm | 52nd Post |
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Hi guy! So, I checked the exhaust and it feels pretty much the same from both when running...I don't think there is a blockage there.
I pulled a few thing off the bike so to get a better look at the carbs...They are filthy and there is a lot of build up gunk where metal meets metal. Looks like they were leaking at one time and it all built up. I know that the outside being filthy doesn't mean they are on the inside but I'm really feeling I should try to pull them off and take a look inside.
I downloaded the service manual to help guide me through pulling them. Then if they are dirty and clogged I can just order the card kit and attempt my first ever rebuild...It's also the first time I ever pulled carbs...I'm a woman, carbs are something I have to limit when dieting ;-)
Anyway, a lot of first are going to happen today!
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Lil Pete
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 08:36 pm | 53rd Post |
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I have had good success using this type of stuff to clean carbs. Even some of the worst looking small engine 2-strokes. Just be SURE that it is completely dissassembled (NO rubber pieces). This stuff will disolve everything but the metal. Even used it to clean out 2-stroke exhaust pipes that got clogged.
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Armo
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 10:19 pm | 54th Post |
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| you can clean the carbs without separating them, the float bowl , Slow jet and Main jet come out with no problem and aren't adjustable, you can blow them out with water and then air, but the PILOT screw IS adjustable, which starts out at 2 and a half turns from bottom, best thing to do is to turn them in, noting how many turns it take, then after you clean them , put them back the same number of turns from bottom, the pilot screws will all be a little dfferent.
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Rudy
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 10:37 pm | 55th Post |
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Anyone considered that possibly there is drag in the drive line?
Do the wheels turn freely by hand when off the ground?
Is there any popping or other unusual sounds when driving it?
Do do the plugs indicate rich or lean on any of them?
Have you done a compression test on all four cylinders?
Any chance the carbs are out of balance?
Lets deal with the easier stuff before we go pulling the thing apart.
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Armo
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 11:19 pm | 56th Post |
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The way it's behaving, all points to clogged carbs.
expecially when it is slow to respond in dropping down on the rpms. A clogged jets will be slow to bring the rpms back down.
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Rudy
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 11:42 pm | 57th Post |
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Armo wrote: The way it's behaving, all points to clogged carbs.
expecially when it is slow to respond in dropping down on the rpms. A clogged jets will be slow to bring the rpms back down.
So will unbalanced carbs.
I would not begin to do a carb teardown without checking every thing else first.
Last edited on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 11:44 pm by Rudy
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grambo
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 12:04 am | 58th Post |
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Ok... time for the big Guns gents!!...Beverly... i live in so. san jose and i could look at it for a fraction price.....i wont do it for free...that gets old!!.... but it will be much less$$...the carbs probably need to come off and done up and thats something i wont do for free again(friends) ...i havnt read all the blogs on this but i would probably need to ride it to see what the hell is going on...
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 12:32 am | 59th Post |
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The WRENCH GOD HAS SPOKEN!!
Let us all point our 3/4 inch ratchet towards San Jose !
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grambo
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 12:42 am | 60th Post |
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| uh o!! what have i done?....o well the dark beers on!
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