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RB
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 03:07 pm | 21st Post |
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| Shame on you, you brought something from Saber??? But sorry for your troubles!!
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dan filipi
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 03:28 pm | 22nd Post |
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RB wrote:
Shame on you, you brought something from Saber??? But sorry for your troubles!!
Ya well, I needed it quick the last time.
Glad we could find OEM this time.
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RB
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:00 pm | 23rd Post |
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| Well, I am on there BLACKLIST and they won't sell me anything..I asked too many questions about a carb kit they where selling on eBay..woe is me!!! yeah right
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Rudy
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:01 pm | 24th Post |
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Well that would explain why you are doing it again then...
Seems you are in a pretty big hurry this time too.
Hope this one does ya better.
Last edited on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:02 pm by Rudy
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dan filipi
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:13 pm | 25th Post |
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For those who appreciate the information, here's a side by side comparison of the OEM (on the right) and Saber's head gasket.
The OEM metal (with the dimples) is what I'm used to seeing in a head gasket.
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wingnut
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:26 pm | 26th Post |
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dan filipi wrote: Best I can figure it blew by in the middle there
This is a Saber Cycle gasket.
From the picture Dan, it looks like a fairly serious roasting. Is the head pitted or burnt in that spot? If so you might need to skim it. Otherwise you should get away with a good cleaning.
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sandiegobrass
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:31 pm | 27th Post |
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| thanks for the pics.. Sometimes it is hard to figure out what the differences are... but this shows CLEARLY that the gasket with tthe smooth surfaces is different than OEM... and furthermore, your experience is a testimony to the fact that it is inferior!! (but you don't need experience to figure this one out...) SDB/Jim
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Rudy
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 05:56 pm | 28th Post |
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sandiegobrass wrote: thanks for the pics.. Sometimes it is hard to figure out what the differences are... but this shows CLEARLY that the gasket with tthe smooth surfaces is different than OEM... and furthermore, your experience is a testimony to the fact that it is inferior!! (but you don't need experience to figure this one out...) SDB/Jim
I thought that too originally until I realized that SOMETHING made the original Honda gasket blow out in the first place.
hmmmm....
But I prefer to stick to mama when the parts are difficult to replace or damned important.
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Mike Toon
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 06:18 pm | 29th Post |
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I'm concerned about compression around the sealing surface. Sure looks uneven to me. I believe those (cheap) hard gaskets need re torquing to insure full compression.
You might mic the ring in several places to verify.
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MDKramer
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 06:34 pm | 30th Post |
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Rudy, thanks for pointing out what was screaming at me here.
Dan, you're now putting at least the 3rd (stock, Saber, OEM) gasket on that bank...I'd be for checking what is warped or defective on the bike before sinking another gasket into that head...You've got a problem friend.
Mike
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Mike Toon
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 06:44 pm | 31st Post |
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| Could those gaskets have over sized holes causing some shift? Look at the intake port match/shift.
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sandiegobrass
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 07:21 pm | 32nd Post |
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Rudy wrote: sandiegobrass wrote: thanks for the pics.. Sometimes it is hard to figure out what the differences are... but this shows CLEARLY that the gasket with tthe smooth surfaces is different than OEM... and furthermore, your experience is a testimony to the fact that it is inferior!! (but you don't need experience to figure this one out...) SDB/Jim
I thought that too originally until I realized that SOMETHING made the original Honda gasket blow out in the first place.
Yeah.. I was speculative... but my only experience was with 20+ year old OEM gaskets and the cause was not "blowing" but the splitting of the metal at the compression seal (probably corrosion)...
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dan filipi
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 08:18 pm | 33rd Post |
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MDKramer wrote:
Rudy, thanks for pointing out what was screaming at me here.
Dan, you're now putting at least the 3rd (stock, Saber, OEM) gasket on that bank...I'd be for checking what is warped or defective on the bike before sinking another gasket into that head...You've got a problem friend.
Mike
Well.. the first time with a new head gasket ( This SC gasket that is) was because I split the case and swapped the original '81 gears for '83 gears.
The head had to come off to do the work.
You have a good point Mike, if this was the 2nd blown head gasket then I'd suspect other problems, this was only the first.
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MDKramer
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 08:28 pm | 34th Post |
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Ok, I can go along with that. Out of curiosity, I've been considering doing the gear swap myself...then again, I've seriously considered keeping an eye open for a complete '83 motor and just doing a swap out.
In your opinion, which option is going to be most cost effective, least frustrating?
Mike
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dan filipi
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 08:52 pm | 35th Post |
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MDKramer wrote:
Ok, I can go along with that. Out of curiosity, I've been considering doing the gear swap myself...then again, I've seriously considered keeping an eye open for a complete '83 motor and just doing a swap out.
In your opinion, which option is going to be most cost effective, least frustrating?
Mike
It's sort of 6 of 1.
If you get lucky with a good low mileage '83 that's been maintained properly then your stylin.
Unless the engine can be run and tested, it's a crap shoot.
If you have a good engine right now ya have to find the gears.
Personally I love to split engines, modify something and check everything for wear and reliability while I'm in there.
It gives me a tremendous sense of achievement and a real understanding of the engine.
That's why I have such a passion for the 1100.
I've been thru them from thermostat to crankshaft.
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MDKramer
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 09:08 pm | 36th Post |
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Yeah, that's what I thought. Siiiiiigh.
Honestly, I've never split a Wing case, never had a reason to...I'm sure I could do it, just not sure how much hair I'd have left over after the encounter.
Although it would give me a chance to get a good look at the rings
I dunno' man, lots to think about now.
Mike
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dan filipi
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 09:29 pm | 37th Post |
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Mike Toon wrote:
I'm concerned about compression around the sealing surface. Sure looks uneven to me. I believe those (cheap) hard gaskets need re torquing to insure full compression.
You might mic the ring in several places to verify.
Good eyes Mike.
It's 2 thousands all the way around.
Must be camera angle playing tricks.
Last edited on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 09:31 pm by dan filipi
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