| GL 1800 F1 Light problem | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 15th, 2009 12:23 am | 1st Post |
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Hoping to get some help with a GL 1800 F1 problem. Have a 2003 Goldwing 1800 with 32,000 miles on it. Just recently changed out the Air Filter, Plugs, Oil and Filter was looking for increased gas mileage but instead have an intermittent F1 light, speedometer failure ( intermittent ) and turn signal not clearing after turn ( also intermittent, tied to speedometer status, works when speedometer works ) The F1 light has only given me a # 11 code once, usually just shuts off after testing. I have double checked loose connections around ECM but no help. Any suggestions ?
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| Posted: Sun Mar 15th, 2009 01:32 am | 2nd Post |
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I dearly wish I could help. Sounds like a loose electrical connection somewhere. I know you checked, buy maybe you pulled something loose in the process that you didn't think about. Someone will surely chime in later.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 15th, 2009 01:48 am | 3rd Post |
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The vehicle speed sensor is not making proper contact at a pin connector. The F1 coming on is the indication of that. Get some contact cleaner and clean the main pin connection at the ECU, make sure it is plugged in well. Also look for the black pin connector you unplugged , it is a three pin connector with a Green, white with black stripe, and brown with white stripe wires. Wire colors might be different on the 03, but you are looking for a three pin connector that carries the signal from the speed sensor to the ECU. Might be you did not unplug it, just pulled it or disturbed it enough it is not making contact. Kit
____________________ The 1800 is my bike. The very best motorcycle ever made. I was enthralled with my first test ride on this machine. It is a great bike. A crotch rocket with storage bags.............As for oil I use the slick kind, and I like round tires, but as of late I have found square ones work best on the rear. Pirelli Eufori 195/55/16 @ 32 PSI Kit |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 15th, 2009 02:43 pm | 4th Post |
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Thanks for the info Kit, I will look into it and let you know. I suspected a loose connection but thought I checked everything, I guess its time to disassemble and check again!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15th, 2009 06:01 pm | 5th Post |
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Kit, I rechecked all the connectors associated with the ECM, used electronic cleaner and reassembled all. Still have the intermittent F1 lite with a code #11, the speedometer and directional problem still occurrs frequently. Is it possible I have a bad " Vehicle Speed Sensor " ? Appreciate any suggestions. Thanx, George 
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15th, 2009 06:40 pm | 6th Post |
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Well lets find out, the manual says that it can be the VS sensor or the actual meter. Or a short or ground in the wire at some point. I do not remember if you can get to the wire for the VS sensor with the shelter off or not, in fact that was not even on my mind last time I helped change an air filter. in any event it is down low on the right hand side directly under the engine cover that covers the plugs, yep have to take all the lowers off to get to it. It has a white wire with black stripe coming off it, check this through the VS sensor to ground, with the ignition off, if you get continuity, it is shorted out and you need a new one. Page 6-34 Item 4 in the service manual, the Honda one. 06/08 manual. If it tests good, will be time to test the meter panel. Bear in mind it could be as simple as the pin connector leaving it, could have been disturbed at some point, or unplugged, check that too. Also might just be a false code in the DTC, it takes a special tool to short out the connector and erase the memory. Wire color may vary, but I doubt it, I am using a 06 Honda manual, do not have an 03 one but have found wire colors have stayed the same for the most part. I honestly think it is a pin connector, I use a lot of common reasoning in things, so I look at it like this, it was fine before you went in and changed the air filter and all that, so something that occurred while doing this has caused the problem to surface. The VS sensor would not have went bad just by changing the air filter and unplugging and plugging up connectors. I have had to resort to a filed down meter pin on a tester and stick it into the connectors one leg at a time and check for continuity, I still think one of them is not making contact. Kit Last edited on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 06:53 pm by Kit Carson ____________________ The 1800 is my bike. The very best motorcycle ever made. I was enthralled with my first test ride on this machine. It is a great bike. A crotch rocket with storage bags.............As for oil I use the slick kind, and I like round tires, but as of late I have found square ones work best on the rear. Pirelli Eufori 195/55/16 @ 32 PSI Kit |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 12:58 am | 7th Post |
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Thanks again for the quick reply, I guess I will have to remove the shelter again and try the continuity testing of the connectors. I know what you mean about the VS having a problem after my changing the filter. I agree with your analysis but am getting frustrated with having to disassemble everthing again and again. I hate these intermittent problems, I cranked her up after cleaning the connectors while the shelter was off and the speedometer worked. After assembly and test ride, F1 lite, no speedometer and turn signal cancel again. After about five miles of riding and shutting down to check F1 indicator things worked again. Apparently something to do with warming up, once it works I can ride all day with no F1 lite or speedometer problem. Until she cools off and I try again. Then its speedometer fail and ultimately the F1 lite.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 01:06 am | 8th Post |
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Hope you got the reply to your latest comments, I want to add another symptom, I get a noticeable engine stumble just prior to the F1 lite coming on. As though there were an actual injector problem, but the only code I have received is the #11, one long and one short lite. Which according to the troubleshooting is a VS problem.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 16th, 2009 01:19 am | 9th Post |
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Actually what you are saying makes sense to me. If the VS sensor is shorted internally ti could very well be an erratic problem . Check the wiring through the sensor to ground with the ignition off and with the bike cold. If it shows continuity then it is defective. I would check that for sure. Especially with the motor stumbling, as if true speed is not known or presented to the ECU it will effect the fuel delivery.
____________________ The 1800 is my bike. The very best motorcycle ever made. I was enthralled with my first test ride on this machine. It is a great bike. A crotch rocket with storage bags.............As for oil I use the slick kind, and I like round tires, but as of late I have found square ones work best on the rear. Pirelli Eufori 195/55/16 @ 32 PSI Kit |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17th, 2009 12:43 am | 10th Post |
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I will check the wiring as you suggested, in the meantime do you know the Honda part number for a VS, I have looked at a couple of OEM suppliers and have not been able to locate a VS. Just curious about the price and availability. Thanx again for your help, George........
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17th, 2009 01:02 am | 11th Post |
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I looked at Bike Bandit and Honda Direct, neither of which has the sensor. Specialized parts like this are generally a dealer item. I always just go to the Honda shop and ask the parts clerk to see the parts breakdown and tell them I want one of those. If determined to be defective, that is most likely where you will have to have one ordered. They may have it in stock.
____________________ The 1800 is my bike. The very best motorcycle ever made. I was enthralled with my first test ride on this machine. It is a great bike. A crotch rocket with storage bags.............As for oil I use the slick kind, and I like round tires, but as of late I have found square ones work best on the rear. Pirelli Eufori 195/55/16 @ 32 PSI Kit |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17th, 2009 07:46 pm | 12th Post |
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Didn't the 01-03 have an exhaust CO sensor problem that caused the idle to go up and down and the FI light to come on? It might be one of those sensors to blame and not you. Don't take my word for it, I just remember all the talk from the usual weekend rideouts.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22nd, 2010 02:23 am | 13th Post |
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I know this is an older thread but I'm having the exact same issue with my '03 GL 1800 after working under the top shelter. I've tried cleaning the connectors without success. Can you tell me how you resolved this issue? Thanks!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22nd, 2010 03:07 am | 14th Post |
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Have you rode the bike, or just started it after working on it? You have to ride it a bit for the light to go out. Kit Never mind, Duh!!! Brain in the sock drawer again, you do not have to run the bike to get it to go off , that is the ABS light. I would simply think you have not gotten a pin connector fully secure, as if it worked before shelter removal and not now, it is a pin connector not fully seated. Kit Last edited on Mon Mar 22nd, 2010 12:33 pm by Kit Carson ____________________ The 1800 is my bike. The very best motorcycle ever made. I was enthralled with my first test ride on this machine. It is a great bike. A crotch rocket with storage bags.............As for oil I use the slick kind, and I like round tires, but as of late I have found square ones work best on the rear. Pirelli Eufori 195/55/16 @ 32 PSI Kit |
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| Posted: Sun May 2nd, 2010 09:38 am | 15th Post |
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This happened to me today after changing the air filter. It was the inside temp guage was not reconnected. 10 minute fix. Did not even have to pull off the seat. Simply removed the gas filler cap door stuck my hand through the plastc shelter and put that bugger back on.
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| Posted: Sun May 2nd, 2010 12:36 pm | 16th Post |
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Well Yeazwinger. Did you get the problem solved. Please let us know. Tony
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| Posted: Fri Mar 4th, 2011 11:33 pm | 17th Post |
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How did you finally fix this issue? It's happening on my 02 1800.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2011 12:06 am | 18th Post |
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This is an old thread and apparently the original poster and some of those who replied are no longer around on the forum. I hate when they just join to ask a question and are never heard from again. Welome SanDiegoTom, did yours just start doing that after an air filter change or other work or just out of the blue suddenly have a problem?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2011 01:14 am | 19th Post |
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Hi Dave, It was outta the blue at 75. Been putting up with it for weeks now.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 5th, 2011 12:29 pm | 20th Post |
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Check connector C27 (3 pin white) behind the right air vent, if not it the VSS may be bad. Attachment: Electrical 1800 C27.bmp (Downloaded 24 times) Last edited on Sat Mar 5th, 2011 12:31 pm by DaveO430 ____________________ I am doing the best I can so don't give me any crap. Honorary Wild Rhino Darksider #304 the force is strong in this one. |
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