| Single Carb Conversions for 4 Cylinder Goldwings |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2009 07:54 pm | 101st Post |
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Cookie wrote: It takes a lot of sorting to do something like this. Seems like LD has done a lot of it for you. Ditto... It's clean, simple, and repairable just about anywhere in the world. I recall some pretty high elevation stated on his site, but can't recall what it was right now...
____________________ "They're gonna make it look like suicide." Hunter S. Thompson, one day before his death. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2009 08:10 pm | 102nd Post |
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CaptainMidnight85 wrote: Cookie wrote:+1 Likes that idea!It takes a lot of sorting to do something like this. Seems like LD has done a lot of it for you. 
____________________ “Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”: FDR’s First Inaugural Address 81 GL1100I - Daily rider and project bike - keeps my mind spinning with options.. Barry |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 02:38 am | 103rd Post |
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Bernie, I think LD'S set up is cool and only wish I had half the knowledge and skill to put something together and more so simple in maintaining it! All that I have learned is self taught and have learned alot from a friend from Texas  ! Hope his conversion catches on for those who are in need or willing to convert to a single barrel carb!!  Later Bob
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18th, 2009 01:49 am | 104th Post |
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1. This spider with 4 carbs and gazillion jets looks too complicated, I cannot deal with it. I can probably learn one carb with one barrel better. 2. I think Honda engineers are morons, I trust that basement scientist who desided to install carb from ... (lawn mover, VW, Dodge etc) 3. I am going to be race champion, I just need carb from V8 engine to increase power twice... P.S. After fighting Honda carbs today I would pick #1 EDIT: THIS THREAD IS FOR INFORMATION ON SINGLE CARBS STAY ON TOPIC! NO POSTS ON COSTS, OR THE SKILLS TO REPAIR THE OEM CARBS PERIOD. All other posts will be deleted. Last edited on Sun Sep 20th, 2009 11:55 pm by AZgl1500 ____________________ 76, 83, 84I,84A, 86 SEi Wings are gone, now 75, 84A I have to stop buying dead old Wings...  ignition switch for $8, solenoid for $10, fuel pump for $30 still work fine! |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18th, 2009 02:18 am | 105th Post |
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IT LOOKS complicated, but it is not. if you have the right tools (not a weirdo tool needed actually just the basics) even a toddler can do them.. i did it. trust me, i had never been into carbs, bikes or cars, i just ordered the rebuild kit from randakk's, decided not to pay someone and collected all the info on the forums and downloaded the workshop manuals. followed all recommendations from other people, one carb at the time, dont mix parts, do one by one, it was easy and fun! i would do it again, and i actually did it for a friend without the rebuild kit, bike would not clim a hill in first gear, now runs good, nice mpg almost like mine. im telling you this cuz... if i did it, everyone else can!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18th, 2009 12:46 pm | 106th Post |
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I did it because I could; and after years of rebuilding and synching multiple carbs on British sports cars, I decided I had better things to do with my time and money than rebuilding and adjusting carbs. I would rather be riding! Bernie
____________________ GL1500 Valkyrie Work for tomorrow, live for today. Live life like you mean it! American Legion Member Patriot Guard Rider Member Vietnam Veteran 68/69 MSF Instructor |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18th, 2009 01:55 pm | 107th Post |
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I dont know what the big deal is with these carbs. Do 'em up right once with a complete rebuild and adjustment they will run for years without touching them, just make sure to run them empty before storage but that's the same with any carb setup.
____________________ 1983 GL1100 Interstate and 1983 Interstate going naked http://classicgoldwings.com A Honda Goldwing GL1100 Specific discussion forum. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18th, 2009 02:46 pm | 108th Post |
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Dan, I think that several have found this not to be the case. Several have complained that they are constantly having their OEM carbs rebuilt and synched. Are the mechanics doing a good job and are they using quality rebuild kits? Also, many of us do not have the mechanical skills or tools to do these rebuilds. Single carb conversions offer an inexpensive and reliable alternative. Nothing more and nothing less. And for those of us who have "Tim The Toolman Taylor Genes", it allows us to tinker and make what we have different and special. Bernie
____________________ GL1500 Valkyrie Work for tomorrow, live for today. Live life like you mean it! American Legion Member Patriot Guard Rider Member Vietnam Veteran 68/69 MSF Instructor |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18th, 2009 05:50 pm | 109th Post |
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Primary reasoning: I like to ride my GL... The factory carbs were prohibiting that. Many other benefits for me to use a single carburetor. There are simpler, as effective set-ups other than my Weber progressive though. IMO, my 32/36 is more carburetor than I need. Other solutions forthcoming, though I'll never leave the 'ol stand-by for the wayside.
____________________ "They're gonna make it look like suicide." Hunter S. Thompson, one day before his death. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19th, 2009 05:35 am | 110th Post |
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I think that this was started as kind of a joke thread .... however in seriousness I agree with ... dan filipi wrote: I dont know what the big deal is with these carbs. That being stated and to offer credibility to the statement... we have two identical '80s and we did the carbs ONCE on each. Mine has over 200k on it the other, not quite so many... Both run as good today as they did the day we uncrated them. The paranoia of "need to sync the carbs" was rampant in the late '70s and early '80s and usually expressed by those with capabilities that I would not let touch any of my vehicles. If someone wants to replace the stock with something else fine. What gets anoying is the few most vocal ones who complain that the carbs don't perform adequately due to some design flaw when it is often the case of improper maintenance or shoddy repair.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19th, 2009 07:16 am | 111th Post |
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Hi I thought the original question was reasons to change and not an all out debate on rebuilding for those who can and cant! I for one am intrested in the single carb conversion... not because I cant rebuild my own, It may one day be the only way I can keep my wing going if spares ever dry up! Its great some people try new things and share them on this forum, as its a place where we can all exchange valuable information about our wings to keep us on the road.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19th, 2009 07:26 am | 112th Post |
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I bought my Wing with a single carb setup already installed. I really have no point of reference with the OEM setup except what I've read here. And from what i have read, they are entirely too unstable, too susceptible to far too many variables. I'm speaking only for myself. For me, they are cost prohibitive. Rebuilding requires more in parts than I can afford, I also lack the proper tools and skills to maintain them. The carburetor on my Wing is simple enough that even I can keep it in order. I have looked into it repeatedly. And to retro-fit my Wing with an OEM carb setup I'm looking at spending a thousand dollars by the time it's ready to ride again. Even if I could afford that I couldn't bring myself to spend that kind of money on something that 1) may not produce a difference that I would be able to notice, or be substantial enough to be worth the expense 2(might have to be redone in a year or less. Some folks with the OEM setups have little to no problems with them. Some have nothing but problems, it seems most fall somewhere between those two extremes. Everyone that I know of who are using single carb systems say the same thing, they put the setup on, tune it once and never have to touch it again. So yeah, I could spend a grand, and have the OEM setup, and maybe never have a problem with it, or maybe have to spend more money in a few thousand miles or maybe only a few hundred, and spend more money again and again and again until I fond someone to actually do it right. And even then maybe have to start over again after a single winter. Now these are only maybes, and there is no way of knowing exactly what may happen. But I am in no position to spend a thousand dollars just to find out, even if I cared. I do know beyond a doubt that if had to put up with a fraction of the carb issues that some have faced I would have junked this bike a LONG time ago. As it is, I can park it at the end of each riding season with whatever gas may be in it at the time, not touch it all winter long, put the key in it and hit the starter button int the spring and have it fire right up and run just like it did when I parked. I've done it for four consecutive winters so far. I get really crappy mileage out of that first tank or two of gas because of it going stale over the winter, but a seafoam treatment remedies all of that and I'm good to go. Part of me would really like to have the OEM setup because from what I understand i would get way better mileage, and maybe even a little better performance. But the POTENTIAL for so much down time, for so much expense just isn't worth to me. I'd rather have to stop more often for gas, or maybe take an extra 30 seconds to get where I'm going, than have to look at it sitting there not running. Or worry about it developing some issue that will have it sitting and not running. For some none of this is the issue because they have the resources(money/tools/skills) to preclude all of these elements. I don't. So yes I speak up and say that yes single carb systems work, and are a viable alternative to the OEM system. I say yes they are the solution to a problem that some face. Even an OEM set in perfect shape can somehow find its way out of synch. I don't know how or why it happens, I just know from the experiences of others that it does. I do not have a manometer set, nor a clue as to how to use one. (Which by the way is part of the reason I'm going to end up spending more than I paid for the fender buffers Yamaha to get it running). Some one once said that only a fool would opt for a single carb system. It was that statement which left the bitter taste in my mouth. It was that statement that pissed me off. Single carbs aren't obviously for everyone. Some feel they are foolish, that they don't work, that they are a waste of time, that they are a lot of things. But for me, this single carb setup keeps my knees in the breeze instead of on the garage floor. And that's really all that matters to me. So if someone wants to explore single carb systems or try to build their own, I say more power to them and that no one has the right to discourage them. "Those who say it can not be done, should not interfere with those who are doing it"- I can't remember who said that but I think it fits here quite well. One other thign that makes the single carb setup perfect for me. I LIKE modifications, stock = boring for me. Before this year when I decided to try the fairing and trunk and all of the Stock stuff for this Wing ( which I must admit I've enjoyed some of the comforts and conveniences) I dearly loved the fact that my Wing was different, it had the carb off something else, the front turn singals were of something else, the luggage rack was off something else, the master cylinder was aftermarket. I loved that a lot of parts that weren't meant for that bike were on it. Over the winter I am very likely to go back to that configuration. Don't get me wrong I really like the bike the way it is right now. but it isn't me. It doesn't have the personality that it did. It sure doesn't get the mileage that it did now that it's pushing that barn door down the road. I don't think some people know how that the tings they say come across. I don't think some people realize how judgmental, how condemning, how self righteous they sound. How their seemingly innocent words and opinions come off as such put downs. And that, I believe is the source of all the contention on this subject. To put it a simpler than it really is, the mod side feels offended and insulted by the OEM side at times, and that's why tempers flare and harsh words are spoken. So next time you're going to post, that there is no good reason to give up the OEM carbs realize that you are insulting the person who wants to try it, you're insulting the person who has already done it. Now except for one person, no one has directly said these things, but close enough so that the only sentiment to be taken from the posts would be " you only want the single carb because you're too stupid to know the OEM carbs are better" Now while that may not be what you mean to say, it sure feels like it is. This post is not directed toward ANY individual. Though one individual is referred to it is not by name, nor will it be. I've learned that to do so will only invoke a whining fit that results in my posts being deleted. Now I happen to be one those "few most vocal ones", however I have never claimed that the OEM systems do not perform adequately, I simply see to great of a potential for them to not perform at all. Now unless a LOT of people are either lying, or too stupid to know a carburetor from a spark plug OEM carbs on the older Wings ARE indeed problematic. There are FAR to many threads on carb problems to say otherwise. I've never said anything about the carb design being flawed. The intake design however I have mentioned thinking it's inhibitive, more so for a single carb system than the OEM though. Am I feeling a little defensive? You bet yer butt I am. With all of the pissing and moaning that's gone on in the background I have good cause to be. Regardless of what these problems with OEM systems are the results of, they are still problems. Speaking only for myself and the single carb system on my Wing, I find it to be far more forgiving and trouble free, than a great number of OEM setups belonging to a large number of people right here on this forum. I for one, and I'm apparently not the only one, don't want to go through that. Especially when I am completely happy with what I have. Last edited on Sat Sep 19th, 2009 07:31 am by Broke Winger ____________________ P.G.R. Member ID: 88374 http://www.patriotguard.org Our Soldiers are what make us strong. Without them there would be no USA. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19th, 2009 07:44 pm | 113th Post |
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Brokewinger has been pretty much right on. I hope I can demonstrate my 2 barrel Weber to the naysayers.Your not going to believe it unless you see it/ hear it run I have 6 Kehins carb sets for a gl1000 now, all but one set has been rebuilt in the last 13 months.Swapping back to stockers takes about 40 minutes due to the ridiculous amout of space for a big handed person to get the throttle cables set in . Run them outside the frame and its a breeze. Im not trying to sell anyone on the idea of a non stock setup.Im just in disbelief that some here think its not a viable replacement Because it is!Very much so indeed. They are also very cool and reliable with very cheap rebuild cost and short downtime. Same day rebuild and on the road.2 hours tops to remove rebuild and replace. You can pull them and put them on another wing.No syncing needed. Find a dead wing in the want ads?Bring your setup along swap out to the single and ride it home.(may depend on your mechanical prowess and the severity of the deadness)Often its the carbs. If it wasnt for those Honda stockers being so finicky i wouldnt have got such a nice old wing for $500. Flatfour
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19th, 2009 09:45 pm | 114th Post |
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I ordered Randakk's video and hope to do better job second time. I am not going to order any repair kit (found complete kit for $80). If somebody gave me single set up for free, I would definitely install it. Considering I paid $50 for my 75 Wing, I wouldn't pay 300 for single kit.
____________________ 76, 83, 84I,84A, 86 SEi Wings are gone, now 75, 84A I have to stop buying dead old Wings... ignition switch for $8, solenoid for $10, fuel pump for $30 still work fine! |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20th, 2009 12:52 am | 115th Post |
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I would love to get a hold of a single carb setup. Everyone on these boards that knows me knows I get off on this kind of stuff. I love thinking outside the box and coming up with a different solution. In fact, when I get this 1200 back together I'm going to start building a single carb plenum for my 1100, gonna have to be done cheap as possible and over a long time to get the cash together unless someone has an extra laying around they'd like to donate to me 
____________________ 1983 GL1100 Interstate and 1983 Interstate going naked http://classicgoldwings.com A Honda Goldwing GL1100 Specific discussion forum. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20th, 2009 12:59 am | 116th Post |
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dan filipi wrote:I would love to get a hold of a single carb setup. If I had one Dan it would be in the mail on Monday. But I don't so all I can offer is a few suggestions. A two or three incsection of 8 inch schedule 80 pvc pipe, Two end caps to match, four apropriate lengths of two 1.5 inch schedule 80 PVC, a holesaw, some PVC cement and some ingenuity. There is also an 8 inch square PVC junction available but I don't know if it's available in the schedule 80 or not, that may be easier than the round pipe. In any case using readily available PVC parts, you can build yer intake for about thirty bucks. Hit a boneyard for a carb...I don't know man...now i'm thinkign about building one myself, just to see if I can.
____________________ P.G.R. Member ID: 88374 http://www.patriotguard.org Our Soldiers are what make us strong. Without them there would be no USA. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20th, 2009 01:09 am | 117th Post |
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I've looked at a few designs on the net, the PVC one looked easiest. Any suggestions you can send my way will help alot, and those are some good ones so far. Got any pics or links you can send me? Hey the way I figure it, once I get the single together I could sell the stock rack for at least a buck and a half.
____________________ 1983 GL1100 Interstate and 1983 Interstate going naked http://classicgoldwings.com A Honda Goldwing GL1100 Specific discussion forum. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20th, 2009 01:13 am | 118th Post |
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There was a thread on this forum from a guy who built one out of PVC, he painted it blue. I'll try to find it.
____________________ P.G.R. Member ID: 88374 http://www.patriotguard.org Our Soldiers are what make us strong. Without them there would be no USA. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20th, 2009 04:50 am | 119th Post |
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Ok Ok everybody , either talk civil to each other or I will delete the whole shabang , I have already deleted a few posts in this thread and I cannot understand why you all get so worked up about a carb  I am still in Montrose and have met a lot of nice people here from the forum and I know YOU ARE ALL NICE PEOPLE,so just get back to discussing tech things instead of bashing each other up , we will all be long gone and 6ft under the ground and those carbs will still be knocking around ,SO BE NICE TO EACH OTHER OR I WILL SWING THE AXE ,, so get the thread back on track .. Ciaran ps ..buy an 1800 it has injection
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20th, 2009 04:56 am | 120th Post |
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Lil Pete wrote: If someone wants to replace the stock with something else,then fine. What gets anoying is the few most vocal ones who complain that the carbs don't perform adequately due to some design flaw when it is often the case of improper maintenance or shoddy repair. Word! Last edited on Sun Sep 20th, 2009 05:02 am by ____________________ 85' GL 1200 Interstate - 40 MPG@75mph |
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