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UBarW
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 02:57 am | 1st Post |
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I am looking for a way to kill much of the unwanted vegetation along my riverfront. Bamboo, poison oak, etc. I found this, its untested, and dont know what to think.
Make sense to any of you?
There is a way to make an "organic" type of "roundup" solution. It is 1 gallon of 20% vinegar 2 ounces orange oil and a few drops of liquid dish soap. The 20% vinegar is available from a company in Texas called Maestro-Gro. You mix the ingredients together and spray just like you would with roundup except it is totally organic. The orange oil is the food grade type and is also available from the site or I imagine you could buy a much smaller quantity from a craft store.
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AZgl1500
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 05:24 am | 2nd Post |
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Here in Phoenix, I just cover what I want to kill off with black plastic.
A few days of hot sun with no sun to the plants, and they are dead. Leave it on for a couple of weeks and it will kill the root system too.
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UBarW
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 05:31 am | 3rd Post |
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I am trying to kill some long established bamboo and poison oak. Since I live along the riverway, I cant use chemicals within 150 feet of it. Something about saving the world or some such thing...
I have been clipping the blackberries down bit by bit, and am gaining on them. The bamboo, well, I cut a bunch last fall and advertised on CL. Believe it or not, I gave away all of it (except for one 35 foot piece-yes 35!) . It was so funny to watch this guy drive off with 40 or so 8 foot bamboo pieces strapped to the top of his ford escort wagon!
The poison oak, well, I am more susceptible to it than most people. I was wearing full gear a few years ago, and still managed to get some under my sleeve. It found its way into my blood stream somehow, I think through a cut. My left arm swelled up to the size of my thigh and it put me in the hospital... yuk.
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lostinflorida
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 12:33 pm | 4th Post |
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You never can tell till you try some of these "homemade" brews. The soap is nothing more than a spreading agent.
After many years in farming I saw lots of snake oil come and go. We had a long run with something called "safer soap" that was nothing but a type of dish soap that was supposed to cut the protective wax off bugs so they would dry out and die.
Sorry to all the environmental people but I would rather see it die quickly and quit eating on my veggies.
We did use alot of biological weapons on the bugs, but it was in conjunction with poison.
With weeds and such, we used paraquat while legal, then all versions of roundup. Even at one time for nightshade Union oil came out with an acid that worked, but was a PITA to use, everything had to be plastic or Stainless Steel.
With what I have stored in my body fat, I might be able to urinate on it and kill it if I ever get in your area!!!
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Rudy
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 01:17 pm | 5th Post |
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| I find that pissing on plants regularly, seems to discourage them fairly quickly and it's all natural. Plus it keeps the deer away.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 01:23 pm | 6th Post |
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Rudy wrote: I find that pissing on plants regularly, seems to discourage them fairly quickly and it's all natural. Plus it keeps the deer away.
......and the neighbors!
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 06:58 pm | 7th Post |
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| Check out the Dirt Dr. http://www.dirtdoctor.com/ He's pretty good at going organic. I've listened to him on the local radio for many years and now he has a nationwide radio show. Not sure if he is in your area. The 20% Vinegar can be bought at Lowe's or Home Depot. The orange oil can be any of the 'orange oil' cleaners. Check it out and good luck.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 11:28 pm | 8th Post |
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If it is not too large of an area, boiling water. Pour it on, It cooks the plants and they die.
I doubt it would be practical for 40 foot bamboo but for smaller stuff it could help.
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English Bob
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 04:15 am | 9th Post |
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I am in the habit of attacking unwanted plants with a Tiger torch, they fry up very nicely, don't do it in dry weather though.
If you do it on poison oak/ivy/sumac you had better be upwind, the active ingredients are volatile.
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UBarW
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 04:57 am | 10th Post |
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burning poison oak, well that would be dumb. I wouldnt want that crap in my lungs...
I have been known to drop a match or two on other things. Like 800 acres of oat stubble in Wyoming... ;-)
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 05:34 am | 11th Post |
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Roundup weathermax label. The other formulations of roundup should have about the same label, check the label on your container to be sure.
LABEL STATES
You can not apply it directly to water, areas where surface water is present, or intertidal areas below the mean water mark.
There is no statement to keep X feet away form water. If there was this would be a restricted use herbicide and you wouldn't be able to get it without a liscense.
Therefore:
You can apply it near lakes, streams, rivers, etc so long as you do not spray/contaminate the water. 
Of course your local regulations may trump the label.
http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto/ag_products/pdf/labels_msds/roundup_weathermax_label.pdf
page 2 under item 3.2 environmental.
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UBarW
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 05:38 am | 12th Post |
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The locals do trump. Frequently. That one lady- she must be the trump-ette :-D
The city just helped us out by extending the riparian setback from 15 feet from waters edge to 50 feet. That puts it in my front yard. That means I am not supposed to remove anything native at all, and I can only remove non-natives if I replace it with a native plant. Its really a pain.
Now, do I have a plan to replace the bamboo? The poison oak? The blackberries? Lemme get back to you on that.
Dont wait up!
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 11:50 pm | 13th Post |
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Let me get this right!??!
You have water front property and your complaining.
Please don't tell me that there are times of the year when the salmon swimming up river make so much noise you can't sleep!!!
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Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 12:16 am | 14th Post |
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I think a little torch work should take care of most of it.
Pain to do, but it will kill the root.
As for "replacing" the stuff, don't think "it was ever there, sir." 
Ice cream salt does wonders for helping things out like that.
Spade a small hole near the plant, dump in salt, water it down.
Hmmmm, wonder why that plant is looking brown?
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Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 02:36 am | 15th Post |
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Whatever you do do not be burning poison oak or ivy....but like you have said that is just DUMB........been many people almost die from doing that.
I have used vinegar for a long time in a garden. I have a fairly large garden every year and use that to combat weeds. I just buy it at the grocery store....regular old vinegar.....have no idea of percentage......but more than 20 percent as I dump a gallon in a 2.5 gallon sprayer........dump in a cup of dishsoap.......whatever is setting on the counter at the time(soap is simply an agent that breaks the surface tension and allows the stuff to enter the plant.) It will also kill beans......lettuce.....and various other plants.......if you get it on them.
Will it kill poison Ivy.....have no idea.....but pretty sure it will not bother bamboo.......not much will......I have sprayed that stuff with almost pure brush killer and it seems to thrive on it. Constant mowing and keeping it down finally kills it.
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Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 02:45 am | 16th Post |
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lostinflorida wrote: Let me get this right!??!
You have water front property and your complaining.
Please don't tell me that there are times of the year when the salmon swimming up river make so much noise you can't sleep!!!
I am NOT complaining... 
I am trying to clear the crap out of the way of my access to it... So for you to "get it right" you would need to re-read my posts
And no, there are no salmon in my river. Just trout, beavers, 3 kinds of geese, four kinds of ducks, an occasional heron, and lots of kids on a hot day!
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 07:02 am | 17th Post |
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If you ever come in contact with poison oak again, get some Technu Extreme...available at most drug stores. It is almost immediate in it's relief. We live in poison oak country too, and this product is the best I have seen. It is around $12.00 for 4 oz. There is another product called Zanfel that works well too, but it is around $40.00 for 2 oz.
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