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| Posted: Wed Aug 31st, 2011 12:05 am | 101st Post |
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Check this out. http://www.nmma.org/certification/certification/oil/tc-w3.aspx
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31st, 2011 12:17 am | 102nd Post |
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Just GOOGLE TC-W3 and check out all the websites and make your own conclusions. There are just about as many ideas and comments as on this forum!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31st, 2011 02:48 am | 103rd Post |
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kb0ou wrote:
. Thank you that is a stellar idea. .
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31st, 2011 03:40 am | 104th Post |
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TC-W3 is ashless and has additives for cleaning also. Anything not saying TC-W3 I don't know about, it may say ashless but does it have good cleaning additives? As been said though, it's pretty easy to find the TC-W3 type and not that expensive so why bother with something else?
____________________ Chromo I ride for FOOD 95 SE 1500, riding now, Purple (the fastest color) 88 1500 recovering from deer hit, Phantom Gray (Most expensive color ) 82 1100 riding sometimes, Red Also 80 1100 naked and 86 1200 Interstate, not running yet. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31st, 2011 04:04 am | 105th Post |
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Predator wrote: Are there any thoughts or ideas when putting the bike away for the winter? Maybe running a can of seafoam through the engine to clean the oil out. I know the guy that tunes my snowblower up every spring says to empty the tank before storing it cause it may put a little varnish type buildup on certain parts if you leave the tank full and it's best to put in 'fresh fuel' whatever that means. The question I was wondering was if after awhile does this oil seperate from the gas? I remember my old man always made us shake the gas can before putting it in the machine. I did have one year the blower wouldn't start, he dumped out the fuel (from last year cause I forgot to run it out) and put in fresh stuff and it started right up, so..... Varnish normally comes from the gas itself getting old and stale. Some people add Sta-bil, some Seafoam, some drain the system. I plan to ride almost year round so I don't have to give it much thought myself. There are threads around here about how people store the bikes. The oil though I don't think will cause any problems, it might even be good to have in there. A fine film of oil can help protect the parts from rust and corrosion during long periods of storage. I would think this film of oil would also help keep carbs cleaner but don't really know. As little oil as is used, 1oz to 4-5gal gas, I don't know how good a coating would even be in the engine really. I know my chainsaw does fine every year but it has a much stronger oil mix of course. For sure the oil over summer in the chainsaw has never hurt anything. Same old saw for about 10 years or more I guess. I run it hard maybe about 10-20 times during winter cutting up old wood from a saw mill that I haul in and burn for heat. During spring, summer, and most of fall it only gets started if a tree falls in a storm and then mostly only if the tree blocks the driveway LOL When storing vehicles for long periods, many folks often pull the spark plugs and mist the cylinders with oils on purpose so as to prevent rusting in them.
____________________ Chromo I ride for FOOD 95 SE 1500, riding now, Purple (the fastest color) 88 1500 recovering from deer hit, Phantom Gray (Most expensive color ) 82 1100 riding sometimes, Red Also 80 1100 naked and 86 1200 Interstate, not running yet. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31st, 2011 11:02 am | 106th Post |
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if you only store the machine in question for the winter or for the winter months stabil or addatives are rarely needed unless ya live in the artic tundra where you only get to ride one day a year if you rarely ever use the device, snow blower, lawn mower ect generator stabil is a good choice
____________________ i am the current president of the non punctuators and bad spelling motorcycle group |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2011 02:29 am | 107th Post |
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Ok, so I went to wally world and found some TC-W3 rated 2 cycle oil. Before I added some to the oil I checked my MPG which was around 44MPG this last tank (198 miles and 4.449 USgal) well, I put about an ounce in and drove to work. The first thing I noticed was that the engine was quieter and seemed to run a little better after a few miles. Other than that, it doesn't seem that much else has changed yet. I've put a little over 40 miles on the tank so far so I can't say anything for a possible MPG increase, but I'll know more when I fill up again tomorrow afternoon. For the time being though it doesn't seem to be hurting anything and it seems like it's only helping even if it's only a little bit. Oh, and on my way to work from the gas station (I fill up at the same one every day) is 99% interstate. I have about 15 miles of country roads (50-60 mph with short stops here or there), 10 miles of in town riding, and 40 miles of interstate one way to work. I use the cruise control set at 60MPH (by GPS) for most of it.
____________________ I just got my bike back from the DR. All is well.  I got my cookies at the First Eastern M&G!! (Darksider) Total Miles: 43,000+ and counting. Current rides: 04 GL1800 (my baby), 08 Suzuki SX4, 86 Toyota Pickup Custom Cab Turbo 4X4 (My other baby). Previous Rides: 1980 Suzuki GS1000, USS Louisiana Gold (SSBN 743) |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2011 04:07 pm | 108th Post |
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pwhoever wrote: But does it have to say TC-W3 or is the low ash stuff the same just as long as it is 2 cycle?The oil sold at Home Depot is used for air cooled 2 cycle engines. It is different from TWC 2 cycle oil. TWC oil is developed for marine, water cooled 2 cycle engines. Last edited on Thu Sep 1st, 2011 04:08 pm by Redeye1620 ____________________ Everybody going faster than me is a "Maniac". Everybody going slower than me is a "Idiot". Don't they know I'M going the right speed..... |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2011 04:25 pm | 109th Post |
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Chromo, I never thought of the quantity difference between a 2 cycle engine mix and the 1 ounce we're adding to a tank, good point, thanks.  My idle is still running alot more stable with the higher heat than before. I never found any method I ever used over the years just operating any vehicle and got a gas mileage number that could measure 1 mile extra to the gallon. There are WAY too many variables to come up with that number.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2011 06:11 pm | 110th Post |
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Thanks for the quick explaination. Like I mentioned, I just happened to be at Home Depot for other stuff and thought I would try to kill two birds with one stone. But because I couldn't confirm the specs on the oil there, I held off. Looks like I now have an excuse to go to the auto parts store....
____________________ Mike K. 97 Aspencade - Pearl White Darkside Rear Tire- Federal Formoza 175/60R16 Double Darkside Front-Battl-Ax BT-45 130/70-18 rear mounted backwards LED Dash Lights Mod Sony Stereo CDX-M30 AM/FM/CD 5-1/4" Infinity Reference Dash Speakers PLMRA400 400 Watt Amplifier Modified Harley Davidson Ultra Glide Exhaust |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2011 08:47 pm | 111th Post |
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So who would start to give an explanation of WHY your mileage would be increasing. 'smoother carb linkage'? AKA, I couldn't think of anything else it would do and how that would account for mileage increase. Burning the fuel more efficiently or hotter would be the only reason I could see for better mileage and this oil would not account for that. So where does anyone think these gains could be coming from? Can one Viagra equate to one ounce of TC-W3 = better performance in a small dose?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2011 09:18 pm | 112th Post |
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OK heres anouther 2cents worth.I have an 84 aspy that normally produces 38 to 39 mpg riding 2 up.After reading the info provided I decided to try this 2-stroke oil in my fuel.Within a couple miles of adding oil the motor began running smoother,I cant say that I felt more power but the motor was quieter.After refilling the tank and calculating miliage it came out to 43.3 mpg!I wont jump for joy untill a few more tanks and the same results.It is my belief that the oil helps lubricate the top end and relieves friction in all areas that it comes in contact with.Less friction results in less fuel burned to maintain a designated speed vs more fuel with more friction.I think chromo is on to something here!Thanks for posting this info.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2011 09:28 pm | 113th Post |
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Predator wrote: So who would start to give an explanation of WHY your mileage would be increasing. 'smoother carb linkage'? AKA, I couldn't think of anything else it would do and how that would account for mileage increase.  I'll be waiting to see a lot of data for comparison across bikes, riding styles, and fuel types ...These immediately come to mind: - changing the flowing viscosity of the fuel (efectively leaning the jets), - smoother slide operation on the CV carbs (allowing the demand mix to be more correct), - better sealing at the carb float needle/seat (increasing accuracy of float level decreasing over-fill hysteresis = less over-rich time) - lower operating temperatures (net HP gain based on the delta-T for similar fuel burned), - just optomistic data (mentioned - accuracy of the data sample so far), - smoother "feel" leading to more controlled accelleration behaviors, - reduced intake runner whetting (on the 1500 and below, leading to richer in-cylinder mix) - better thermal contact between valves and valve seats (head - allowing for more uniform head temps and therefore more unform combustion) - solvent effect improving mix flow/dispersion (intake runners, valves, and head area for more complete conversion) or a bazillion other things... Let's see if we can amass a pool of data and compare stuff; I'll keep reading I'll be trying for the "smoother" feel here next week - I doubt that I could offer any mileage input as I suck at keeping anything steady (3-year data shows high and low MPG varience of greater than 8MPG)... at a dime a tank, I'll play too!
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2011 10:59 pm | 114th Post |
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satan wrote:
Here here to people that don't count mili-miles and just ride...  although I see their point in doing so (I really don't but why make enemy's) 
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2011 11:19 pm | 115th Post |
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same here predator if the bike only got 3mpg i would still ride it
____________________ i am the current president of the non punctuators and bad spelling motorcycle group |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2011 11:42 pm | 116th Post |
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"if you rarely ever use the device, snow blower, lawn mower ect generator stabil is a good choice" I know of several mechanics that favor SEAFOAM over Sta-bil...not really sure why, but the mechanic that told me about the SEAFOAM is a well respected, all knowing kind of fellow and I put a lot of faith in his opinion, therefore, I use the SEAFOAM.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2011 11:47 pm | 117th Post |
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if i could bottle urine and say its a great fuel stabilizer i'd be rich
____________________ i am the current president of the non punctuators and bad spelling motorcycle group |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 2nd, 2011 01:26 am | 118th Post |
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Ok, so I filled up again and checked the MPG on my 04 1800. The tank before got a little over 44mpg with various riding conditions. I logged almost 200 miles on that tank before fill up as well. Well, this last tank (including oil) when I filled up again came out to be a little under 44mpg. I fill up at the same place every day on my way to work. I put in a tad over 3 US gallons and the trip meter read 133.9 miles. I think that comes out to roughly 43.7 mpg. this is with the cruise set at 60 by GPS for most of the 133 miles as stated in my previous post. For me at least the increase in mpg just isn't there yet if it ever will be. I did notice that the engine seemed to run a little smoother, but I heard something from it that I've never heard before. It sounded like the engine was pinging as if the gas wasn't a high enough octane rating. This only happened at low speeds (say between 1100 and 1700 rpm), and only during acceleration. I did change the oil today and made sure that everything was tightened up the way it's supposed to be. The main thing here is that I didn't see any difference as far as mpg in my bike. Maybe it only gives more MPG for the older non fuel injected bikes due to the difference in parts.
____________________ I just got my bike back from the DR. All is well. I got my cookies at the First Eastern M&G!! (Darksider) Total Miles: 43,000+ and counting. Current rides: 04 GL1800 (my baby), 08 Suzuki SX4, 86 Toyota Pickup Custom Cab Turbo 4X4 (My other baby). Previous Rides: 1980 Suzuki GS1000, USS Louisiana Gold (SSBN 743) |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 2nd, 2011 08:32 am | 119th Post |
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Predator wrote: Chromo, That's true about the Variables, though with bikes we have some advantages. We can actually see the level where the gas is, unlike a car where we have to guess is it really full to same level. We only have 2 tires and most of us keep them checked far more often than with other vehicles. So tires are normally kept at a more consistent air pressure. We hold less gas than other vehicles, so any difference shows up faster. In general though, 1mpg can often be a variable, but if you check mileage often like many of us do with bikes and you never get over 38mpg then you get 39mpg for a few tanks then something is probably making a difference. I know I had never gotten any better than 37.8mpg, that was the highest I ever got, but I often get less. 37.8mpg for a high since I bought this 1500 covers all variables I can think of. Riding style, weather, road types, no traffic, etc... it's all been 37.8mpg high and mostly less. I did change my riding style some this last tank, riding harder in 4th at higher RPM's and speeds. I'll go back to my old style of riding again, I dropped to about 35mpg when I filled up this morning. I think it was actually 34.6mpg? I have gotten worse and I expected worse this time. Anything can make my mileage go down, and it often does go down, but it would actually take SOMETHING to make it go UP.
____________________ Chromo I ride for FOOD 95 SE 1500, riding now, Purple (the fastest color) 88 1500 recovering from deer hit, Phantom Gray (Most expensive color ) 82 1100 riding sometimes, Red Also 80 1100 naked and 86 1200 Interstate, not running yet. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 2nd, 2011 09:01 am | 120th Post |
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Predator wrote: So who would start to give an explanation of WHY your mileage would be increasing. 'smoother carb linkage'? AKA, I couldn't think of anything else it would do and how that would account for mileage increase. Could be many things it might do to help. Being it's such a tiny amount of oil related to the amount of gas some things I mention may not be happening. If the engine is dirty. Rings not totally sealing letting a little blow by effect, cleaning and getting a better seal would get better MPG. If Valves are sticking any or dirty not getting a total seal, cleaning will get better MPG. Better lubrication on top end can reduce friction and that would help get better MPG. Cleaner Carbs or Injecters will provide a better fuel air mix which burns better so more MPG. There's other valid reasons it could raise MPG some. And the older and dirtier the engine could be the more difference a person might see. If there is a fine film of oil coating the cylinder walls and valves there could be a compression gain, that would help MPG also. We can see this often when doing a compression test if we mist the cylinders with a fine oil mist. Though the small amounts of oil we are using here is maybe not enough to do much in this way. Also, doubtful being such a small amount, but most oils burn more like Diesel with better BTU than gas. This is why some old engines like the Listers and Listeriods (reproductions) sometimes will be run on used engine oils as well as veggy oil, Bio diesel, and of course real Diesel.
____________________ Chromo I ride for FOOD 95 SE 1500, riding now, Purple (the fastest color) 88 1500 recovering from deer hit, Phantom Gray (Most expensive color ) 82 1100 riding sometimes, Red Also 80 1100 naked and 86 1200 Interstate, not running yet. |
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