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Hawker22
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 01:13 pm | 21st Post |
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Popeye wrote: Funny you should mention a Mustang. I have one place on my way home where I like to throttle away from a stop sign & the 0-70 mph feels like 2 secs. A few days ago I saw a Mustang trying to keep up with me & was doing amazingly well.
The Pony was a copper color & when I turned, I could hear the built-up motor fly by.
It started me wondering what my 1/4 mile time 'could' be & the rear end ratios of the various Wing models.
Checkout this 1800 Wing vid at 13.13 sec & 99.8 mph: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WISeRGN9ogE&feature=related
My neighbour just got a new 2007 Mustang GT ragtop, and I would love to know if my 1500 would stand a ghost of a chance against it in a quarter mile. He took me for a short spin in it and it seems pretty awesome.
What speed could I expect to be at the end of the 1/4 mile, and will I be in OD at that time???
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exavid
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 04:59 pm | 22nd Post |
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Hard to say Hawker. Depends on so many variables, I'd guess most of us would show times worse than the ones posted assuming it was a skilled young driver with fast reflexes. Rider weight is going to make a noticeable difference too. Good question whether you'd be in top gear or not, I don't know for sure but it seems if the top speed is in the 100mph range the bike might end up in 4th at the end of a 1/4 mile. Each downshift in a 1500 drops the rpms about 500rpm, since the bike hits the rpm limiter at approximately 125 in top gear the top speed it would appear that you'd hit the rpm limiter at 110 mph in fourth at approximately 5500rpm . This would be above the maximum torque speed so my best guess is that you'd be near the end of the 1/4 and it would be a close decision whether to go to 5th. Anyone actually tried it? My bike has too many miles and I'm too old to really test this out
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ob1quixote
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 05:37 pm | 23rd Post |
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After some quick calculations of Horsepower/Weight ratios, about all it would take to make a GL1000 the king is a fresh air filter. Aftermarket filter and exhaust only would seal the deal, even giving the same mod to the other bike.
100's of pounds or running weight is hard to overcome.
Remind me to add a few inlets to the air box on the 1200!
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Dadoo
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 05:38 pm | 24th Post |
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If ANY Wing cannot run away from a STOCK Mustang GT, then there is something very wrong with the bike. When seated in a car, the seatback pushing against you gives a feeling of acceleration that you don't feel on a motorcycle.
John
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sandiegobrass
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 06:57 pm | 25th Post |
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ob1quixote wrote: After some quick calculations of Horsepower/Weight ratios, about all it would take to make a GL1000 the king is a fresh air filter. ....
Depends on the size of the rider.. If you assume a 100 lb pilot, it does very well (still can't beat the 1800) but for a 300 lb pilot, not so good ...
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muaymendez1
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 08:26 pm | 26th Post |
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Dadoo wrote: If ANY Wing cannot run away from a STOCK Mustang GT, then there is something very wrong with the bike. When seated in a car, the seatback pushing against you gives a feeling of acceleration that you don't feel on a motorcycle.
John
i thought my 4 cyl car was faster than my bike.
I like to tease my wife in her minivan when I drive my car next to her. I can get in front pretty quick, but with the bike I lost her and had to slow down quite a bit.
I now stop looking at the speed rather the rate at which the speed increases.
Ill put it to you this way. Its too quick to focus on the speedometer and time. If you stare too long at your speedo ,you may miss something up ahead.
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ob1quixote
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 09:12 pm | 27th Post |
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sandiegobrass wrote: ob1quixote wrote: After some quick calculations of Horsepower/Weight ratios, about all it would take to make a GL1000 the king is a fresh air filter. ....
Depends on the size of the rider.. If you assume a 100 lb pilot, it does very well (still can't beat the 1800) but for a 300 lb pilot, not so good...
Well, the 1000 has about 204lbs less stuff to carry to speed, before adding the incredible number of lights, cup holders and other gew-gaws that I see decorating some bikes...not to mention the lack of a barn door to push.
Lets just say, it took Honda a long time to catch up to where it had already been!
I still say a fresh air cleaner, and a few of the standard mods that have to be done to the fleet of 4 stroke Honda dirt bikes to uncork them {jetting, airbox, air filter, header welds, muffler}, and the GL1 will blow right by the 1800
After all, by my amateur calculations, the GL1 scored .13hp/lb, the 1800 scored .14hp/lb, not much needed to tip the scales.
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 09:23 pm | 28th Post |
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| I know from experience that an injected gl1200 (Ltd or Sei) will leave a gl1500 standing on take-off and up to 80mph. Not sure if the official reviews back this up, I just know because I've been there and done it.
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sandiegobrass
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 09:43 pm | 29th Post |
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exavid wrote: ...Looking at the figures above there's less than one half second difference in all those models. It would take a lot of runs with those bikes to get a real comparison of speeds.....
That was what I was finding. They are all really too close to call... but I was taking the analytical approach and modeling a "Virtual Racer" that would accept different parameters to plug in to compare the various models.. I essentially gave up because the 1/4 times and speeds that I was calculating for each model were so close together that to tell the difference I was needing to get into enormous detail.. glad to see some real numbers... In my cases, even the assumed weight of the driver could change the order of finish..
I am a little surprised that the gl1000 and the gl1100 standard aren't a little better because of the weight difference...
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fatwing chris
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Posted: Tue May 6th, 2008 10:43 pm | 30th Post |
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Coffee sounds good Bob.Don't know about racing to get there with this new law in Ont. though.Julian has eyes in the air now.First morning in the air and they get someone doing 155 klm's on the 400.Any time on the coffee,let me know Bob maybe we can actually work in a ride this time.
Power to weight ratio and not pushing a fairing would make older Wings a lot closer than one would think.Anyone remember when the 750 Triple 2-stoke came out?Kawi was claiming low 11 sec. passes right out of the box.The 500 triple was in the 11's also if you believe the adds.
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Hawker22
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 12:03 am | 31st Post |
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Dadoo wrote: If ANY Wing cannot run away from a STOCK Mustang GT, then there is something very wrong with the bike. When seated in a car, the seatback pushing against you gives a feeling of acceleration that you don't feel on a motorcycle.
John
Exactly what is a stock mustang GT?? Engine size, etc. I am pretty sure that my neighbours new car has a fairly large V-8. He had a Stang in his youth and is an excellent driver. Now, approaching 50 years old, he has acquired the car of his dreams. During my demo run with him, I heard the tires squealing as he accellerated in third. Fourth was quiet.
I will never challange him(same reasons as Exavid stated), but the thought crossed my mind.
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Kit Carson
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 01:15 am | 32nd Post |
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The mustang has a 302 engine.....about 190 hp. Five speeds. Very quick and responsive. With some concrete blocks in the trunk to hold the wheels down.....it might just surprise you. It however cannot beat a motorcycle......just the time to shift causes too much delay......on a bike you use the clutch one time to get going and then just hammer the other gears.......mustang will not win that race. Kit
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 02:53 am | 33rd Post |
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They are all Fast enough, but not they are not partiucularly fast compared to bikes that are supposed to be fast.
But......I would race about any zoom splat from Texas to California and back, while I'm out of the wind and drikin a cold/hot drink, and listening to the radio
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muaymendez1
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 10:07 am | 34th Post |
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Kit Carson wrote: The mustang has a 302 engine.....about 190 hp. Five speeds. Very quick and responsive. With some concrete blocks in the trunk to hold the wheels down.....it might just surprise you. It however cannot beat a motorcycle......just the time to shift causes too much delay......on a bike you use the clutch one time to get going and then just hammer the other gears.......mustang will not win that race. Kit
This is the way you drive desel trucks, but s this safe for wings.( shifting with no clutch that is)???
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Sandy Eggo
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 10:33 am | 35th Post |
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I don't have the numbers in front of me, but the 1/4 mile times I've seen are slightly different than the ones previously posted.
The 1800 is the quickest, turning the 1/4 mile in less than 13 seconds.
The 1200LTD is second fastest, taking slightly more than 13 seconds.
The 1500 is third fastest, with a time slightly less than 14 seconds.
The times for the 1000 and 1100's are in the mid 14 second range.
Of course, these times were entered by professional riders, but I've had all of the models with the exception of the 1100, and my experience is that the rankings are accurate. Cars couldn't stay with me on the 1800 or 1200LTD for very long, and the 1500 takes a little longer to lose them, but still gets the job done handily.
Last edited on Wed May 7th, 2008 10:44 am by Sandy Eggo
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johnmac
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 12:36 pm | 36th Post |
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Thanks, Sandy. Sounds like my equipment suffered from "operator error"! 
I have only put about 1000 miles on this bike so far. Didn't buy it to race. Old enough to know better, but young enough to try anyway. 
John
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The Lake
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 12:42 pm | 37th Post |
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Kit Carson wrote: The mustang has a 302 engine.....about 190 hp. Five speeds. Very quick and responsive. With some concrete blocks in the trunk to hold the wheels down.....it might just surprise you. It however cannot beat a motorcycle......just the time to shift causes too much delay......on a bike you use the clutch one time to get going and then just hammer the other gears.......mustang will not win that race. Kit
Since 1996, or was it 95? Mustang GT's have had a 4.6 v8. The 4.6 is a quicker car than the 302's.
Chuck
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Endwell_Tim
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 12:50 pm | 38th Post |
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Kit Carson wrote:
The mustang has a 302 engine.....about 190 hp.
Funny y'all should be talking about Mustangs... My '95 302 pony claims 215 hp, 285 ft/lbs of torque, it is all stock. I wouldn't want to find out which one is quicker OR faster - They each can produce more than I have a desire to do in the street. All you hot-rodders out there need to slow it down! 
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 02:07 pm | 39th Post |
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| Don't forget the 75 GL1000 was the second fastest production bike made (according to Randakks site..Im not that smart lol) in its day.....and they have never looked back!!!!!!
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GLester
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 07:45 pm | 40th Post |
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muaymendez1 wrote:
This is the way you drive desel trucks, but s this safe for wings.( shifting with no clutch that is)???
I've been doing that since about 1966 on every bike I've owned, and sofar, have not had any problems, and not had to replace but 1 or 2 clutch packs in all those years. Neither of my wings seem to mind it.
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