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Hawker22
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 11:38 pm | 41st Post |
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| Gene--For the uninitiated among us, exactly what procedure do you use for clutchless shifting?? Throttle control,etc.
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exavid
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 11:55 pm | 42nd Post |
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| Upshifting is the easiest, just put some pressure on the shift lever and give the throttle a little downward (momentary rpm reduction) flick.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 12:31 am | 43rd Post |
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Hawker22 wrote:
Gene--For the uninitiated among us, exactly what procedure do you use for clutchless shifting?? Throttle control,etc.
exavid wrote:
Upshifting is the easiest, just put some pressure on the shift lever and give the throttle a little downward (momentary rpm reduction) flick.
Just like exavid said. Downshifting is just as easy, a little pressure on shfter, and give it a little gas, and it will slide right into gear( too little gas, you will slide your rear tire, too much, and god only knows what could happen). It take practice to get it smooth, back when I used to race on the track, in stock cars, we called it speed shifting. But I find that I can shift smoother without using the clutch, than I can with it. If I use the clutch on upshifting, I get a rough shift into 2nd and 4th. Like I said, it is not hard, you just have to practice it and learn to time your wrist with your foot, is the best way I can discribe it.
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Jluvs2dive
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 04:14 am | 44th Post |
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I notice the lack of the 1200 Standard on both of the lists. I wonder how it would compare, with that much less weight but the same horsepower as the 1200 dressed bikes? I took my Standard out last night for my second ride on it, but the first time I was able to play a little. I know it's subjective, but it sure seemed a lot faster than my Aspy, and I can definitely feel the weight difference.
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Motorcycle Pete
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 06:14 am | 45th Post |
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I have far too many miles on the original GL1000 (and now own, yet another one). I've recently acquired a GL1100, which to me doesn't feel that different.
People in this thread have said/implied that the GL1200 was a big gain, and I have no reason to disbelieve them....
All I know is that, when I first made it to the UK (March 2006), and went riding with Silverfox (he was then on his GL1500) I was mightily impressed....we did about a 4 hour loop, down to Brighton (from south London) and back north.....
He was great; we started out at a moderate pace, and kept "ratcheting it up" a notch....I couldn't believe how fast his 1500 would go from say 30mph to 90...it was a "hoot", as we Yanks tend to say... I was "chasing him down" on the Pan European....(100 hp)...well, mine needed some work (funny how guys come up with lame excuses, huh????) 
I find the "numbers" to be rather silly. If you are a 90 pound weakling, but with a full set of steel balls (perdon le francaise), ANY GL should be able to keep up with the Porsche 911 Turbo in the 1/4 mile. I call that, "irrelevant"....agreement?
The high end numbers must certainly vary, and Pete's 1500 would smoke my old 1000, hands down.....
On a pure power to weight ratio evaluation, the Goldwing has progressed, quite nicely. I have no plans to drag race anyone, on my 1000, or for that matter, my 1100 (although I DO remember "smokin" a number of Harleys, back at Daytona Beach in 1978 and 1979! ) Probably NOT the big deal I thought it was???? 
Just remember the old saying- "Pride goeth before the fall"! (not literally, I hope!)
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:24 am | 46th Post |
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Anyone remember a fellow Named "Pee Wee Gleason" ??? He was the top-gun pro drag racer of the late 70's/early 80's that all the manufacturers hired to get the top speed/et's for the covers of Cycle- Cycle World. Supposed to have gotten a 84-1200 standard,(nekid-wing), into the low 12's. Pee Wee weighed 140lbs in a soaking wet set of full-racing leathers.
Well I went to the attic archives to find that issue of Cycle magazine and all I discovered was a pile of slime and a leaky roof. Maybe Coyote61 can find us a local airstrip for some time-trials in September. 
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Motorcycle Pete
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:39 am | 47th Post |
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Yes, Shooter- I'm an "old fart" (pushing 49) I remember "Peewee Gleason"!
I love your abandoned runway idea. Of course, I'm a fat guy, and I'll be (no doubt) on a rented Harley, so.....I fully expect to be "smoked" by, well, everyone!
No worries; my sense of humour is fully intact! And no, I have no idea why that is!
I seem to recall that the "13 second barrier" was a big deal, back in the day....My recollection was that the Porsche 911 Turbo did a barely "sub-13 second" quarter mile, as did the GL1000 (12.8 seconds, with a 12 pound highly skilled factory rider aboard?) 
The vacated airstrip thing, while quite silly, would be great fun- sign me up!
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 10:05 am | 48th Post |
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muaymendez1 wrote: Kit Carson wrote: The mustang has a 302 engine.....about 190 hp. Five speeds. Very quick and responsive. With some concrete blocks in the trunk to hold the wheels down.....it might just surprise you. It however cannot beat a motorcycle......just the time to shift causes too much delay......on a bike you use the clutch one time to get going and then just hammer the other gears.......mustang will not win that race. Kit
This is the way you drive desel trucks, but s this safe for wings.( shifting with no clutch that is)??? I am older and wiser now.....think? Sometimes I wonder I do not think an occasional play time just slightly backing off the throttle and popping it into the next gear would hurt anything. Thing is I do like my bike, and do take care of it, as I did the mustang I gave to my youngest son.
When I speak of a race, it would not be with my current bike ever. It would be with a bike just for that......the goal would be to win. I would not care one bit if the whole clutch fell out of it, or the drive shaft snapped.......or I used 8000 miles of rubber getting going.......... . I used to race for Yamaha on flat track......long ago.....and they just kept the bikes fixed all the time.
No I do like my current bike......it is taken care of.......and I would not pull such shenanigains with it. Nor ever race on the public streets......or ever do this without a full leather body suit, full helmet and metal shin boots.........that stuff is for the youngsters on a track made for that.....not on the street. Kit
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 10:45 am | 49th Post |
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Re Speed shifting, or shifts without clutch.
Done it for many, many years on dirtbikes. I catch myself doing it on the GW on occasion, but try to avoid it.
On the dirt "we " are very aggressive about it, but but the fact that we are on the dirt allows that without stress to the drivetrain, the dirt breaking free under the tires.
On the road with the GW, there is no breaking loose of the rear tire, just stress on the drivetrain if not done smoothly. Sure, you can learn the smoothness, and avoid "banging" the gears. But, the only driveline cushion on the GW is the pressed in bushings in the rear wheel...replaceable only by buying a new wheel, I understand.
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Hawker22
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 11:58 am | 50th Post |
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| Yep--clutching is OK by me too. Hell, I even clutch at straws now and then.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 04:13 pm | 51st Post |
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I may have to test this - I'm still young and dumb enough!
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 06:03 pm | 52nd Post |
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I may do the same thing. At least find an isolated spot that is straight, reasonably smooth, and use my GPS to mark off a quarter mile. Then give 'er a whirl, and if it doesn't get up to any scary speeds, I may just complete the quarter mile. Of course, nobody else will be around. But I should have at least some idea.
Or NOT
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Jluvs2dive
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 06:14 pm | 53rd Post |
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I may have to give it a whirl too.
Hey exavid, can I borrow your bike for a little experiment?
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 05:16 am | 54th Post |
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At 57 years old I would have thought that maturity would have set in. But, NOOOO. I was out playing with the old 1100 to see how fast it would take off from a dead stop. It is difficult to launch the beast agressively. It either bogs the engine or wheelies toward the sky. I don't like to slip the clutch too much. A day at an abandoned airstrip would be fun. The old beast can run.
RE shifting: I have ridden motorcycles for over 40 years and don't even think about shifting, whether with or without clutch. It is just as easy either way and I've never had clutch or trans failure. Wing transmissions are tough.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 04:19 pm | 55th Post |
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SEE? wrote: They are all Fast enough, but not they are not partiucularly fast compared to bikes that are supposed to be fast.
But......I would race about any zoom splat from Texas to California and back, while I'm out of the wind and drikin a cold/hot drink, and listening to the radio
It's funny you say that. I often kid around with crotch rocket riders and tell them I'd be glad to race them, as long as I get to pick the course. Then I say, Los Angeles and back, just give me a few minutes to load it into my GPS. 
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:58 pm | 56th Post |
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I don't think that would be fair Wolfman! The sport bike rider would have to change tires at least three times to get from Virgina to L.A. and back.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 02:25 am | 57th Post |
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muaymendez1 wrote: Kit Carson wrote: The mustang has a 302 engine.....about 190 hp. Five speeds. Very quick and responsive. With some concrete blocks in the trunk to hold the wheels down.....it might just surprise you. It however cannot beat a motorcycle......just the time to shift causes too much delay......on a bike you use the clutch one time to get going and then just hammer the other gears.......mustang will not win that race. Kit
This is the way you drive desel trucks, but s this safe for wings.( shifting with no clutch that is)???
I do it all the time. For certain types of bikes ( I won't mention Harleys by name here) shifting without the clutch garuntees bent shift forks. But most imports can be shifted up through the gears without the clutch with ease.
And for the record, the same CAN be done with the mustang,that is IF you know how. I used to have a Toyota Tercel, 1.5 litre four cylinder that was completely foctory stock, and had a disgustingly dirty air filter. It had a five speed tranmissiona nd the most ofgiving clutch I have ever enountered in my life. I embarassed a lot of hot rodders with the little POS. Well ok it wasn't completely stock. I cut three inches of the shifter. You would be surpised at what a reduction is shift time that can make.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 03:11 am | 58th Post |
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but by the time they got to ca. you could have came out to apple valley , had some
good BBQ, rode to chads in big bear, got a good nights sleep in, then get back to the
santa monica pier in plenty of time to see the competition show up tired, beat,
and very sore. then you head back home leaving them to weep because now they gotta turn around and do it again. gee us gold wing owners are soo smart.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 08:26 am | 59th Post |
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I must take issue with Motorcycle Pete...... whilst he is being very generous in his description of me on my 1500 and it's turn of speed, his ST was quite capable of smoking me, and I do recall a fast straight section on the M23 when he came passed me like I was standing still, having only been riding his new to him Pan European for about 20 minutes and on the wrong side of the road at that.
On our trip down through Europe, there was no way I could have kept up with him on the Autobahns and I am sure he was positively yawning as we took on the best of the German auto drivers!!!
As for him saying his old GL1000 would struggle to keep up with my 1500, well I can genuinely say that my first GL1000 showed a top speed on one memorable journey, that my 1500 never improved on.
I cannot comment on the standing 1/4's of any of the models, never having done any timed runs, but I can confirm that the 1800 has plenty left, and still feels stable at speeds in excess of those that my 1000's, 1100 or 1500 were able to achieve. On a private road closed to all other traffic, and ridden two up, though not loaded with gear, an 1800 can exceed the 130mph mark...... alledgedly!!!!! This would have been confirmed by a Garmin 2610 GPS unit.... I believe.
all of the above is a bit academic, since speeds of this sort are frighteningly quick, especially as the bends come up so much more quickly and in the UK at least, the roads are rarely clear enough to try this turn of speed.
I can also confirm that in the UK a Goldwing.... ( any model) is much faster than any car, most of the time, since the cars are unable to squeeze down the gap in our usual traffic queues, so a Wing is usually able to travel at approximately 5-10 mph faster than the fastest car on the road!!!! ( please note: these figures will vary for countries that do not allow lane splitting!!!)
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 02:49 pm | 60th Post |
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Hmmm....well at 125-130mph indicated on the Autobahn, you may recall that pieces of the Pan were tearing themselves off!  Won't be doing that again, soon!
I seem to recall that, once I got used to it being a "big bike", the GL1000 didn't have much "oomf" until it hit about 4000 rpm? and the engine seemed designed to run out of power well before one got to redline at 8500rpm? It would be screaming like a banshee and not really accelerating anymore! I actually liked that; you didn't really need a tach; you could sense from the noise and lack of acceleration that it was really time to shift!
I suspect (based on observation only) that the switch to the 6-cylinder gave the GL a whole lot more usable power/torque, throughout the range....anyone?
Well, to me, the ultimate "touring machine" must combine comfort, reliability, utility (luggage, music, ability to tow one's yacht  , even erm...heat? ) as well as speed. In the case of my Pan, 2-1/2 out of 4 ain't bad? I jest....I love it, and it's great fun....but...a Goldwing, it is not.
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