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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 03:20 am | 21st Post |
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FenderHead wrote: We had a mandatory (adult) helmet law in WI at one time. I was in one of the protest rallys in Madison (1970s), thousands of bikes, what a sight to behold...we protesters protested, specifically, the constant police harrassment, costly fines, and being made into criminals, for merely not wearing a helmet. Of and by itself, it is NOT a criminal act. We protested for the basic right to choose.
This was also a time of gasoline shortages and rising prices. Folks were then, like now, buying smaller cars & motorcycles & scooters as much to conserve as for any other reason.
Admittedly, helmet engineering has progressed significantly since then...so some of you might agree that it was harder to glom onto a quality, lite-weight, ventilated fit back then, at an affordable price.
Just so you younger folks understand both sides, back then, insurance company lobbying had a lot of influence in making the laws, and states were "blackmailed" with threat of withholding Federal highway revenues if they failed to make these laws. Wyoming, being the independent folks they are, legislated their helmet law, but were somewhat reluctant to enforce it...bless their little pea-pickin' hearts!
Damn! I thought I saw you there.
I'm really surprised it took so long for this thread to start heading the way typical helmet threads go. I had 15 posts in the pool.
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Cousin Jack
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 03:26 am | 22nd Post |
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What do you think?
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 03:30 am | 23rd Post |
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ScooterTramp
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 03:37 am | 24th Post |
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FenderHead wrote: We had a mandatory (adult) helmet law in WI at one time. I was in one of the protest rallys in Madison (1970s), thousands of bikes, what a sight to behold...we protesters protested, specifically, the constant police harrassment, costly fines, and being made into criminals, for merely not wearing a helmet. Of and by itself, it is NOT a criminal act. We protested for the basic right to choose.
This was also a time of gasoline shortages and rising prices. Folks were then, like now, buying smaller cars & motorcycles & scooters as much to conserve as for any other reason.
Admittedly, helmet engineering has progressed significantly since then...so some of you might agree that it was harder to glom onto a quality, lite-weight, ventilated fit back then, at an affordable price.
Just so you younger folks understand both sides, back then, insurance company lobbying had a lot of influence in making the laws, and states were "blackmailed" with threat of withholding Federal highway revenues if they failed to make these laws. Wyoming, being the independent folks they are, legislated their helmet law, but were somewhat reluctant to enforce it...bless their little pea-pickin' hearts!
I was very active, around then, here. Did a lot of lobbying with ABATE. I hate wearing a suit and tie, but it I did anyway. We got it done. While it lasted anyway. What was that woman’s name….Dole? She was the head of DOT around then. She had plans for requiring bumpers, seat belts and handle bars for the passenger on motorcycles. A bunch of other dip **** ideas.
So, we’ve come full circle again……at least we don’t have to have bumpers, yet.
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I'm really surprised it took so long for this thread to start heading the way typical helmet threads go. I had 15 posts in the pool.
Maybe so......inevitable though.
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SC
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 03:54 am | 25th Post |
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I ride so I decide
South Carolina has no law for adults concerning helmets and it dose not need any 
This topic has been beat to death
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D-Rod
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 04:09 am | 26th Post |
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| Button Lady and I always wear one, always! (well, when riding the motorcycle anyways!)
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 04:15 am | 27th Post |
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TMI!!!!!!!!! 
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WingedNut
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 04:17 am | 28th Post |
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ScooterTramp wrote: She had plans for requiring bumpers, seat belts and handle bars for the passenger on motorcycles. A bunch of other dip **** ideas.
Sure hope you aren't implying the use of helmets is a dip **** idea.
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UBarW
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 04:18 am | 29th Post |
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I miss the breeze in my face and in my hair, but I also remember bouncing off a dashboard at 60.
The thought of that happening on a bike keeps me under 80 mph, and a helmet on.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 04:29 am | 30th Post |
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Non of these guys have a lid 
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Cousin Jack
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 04:51 am | 31st Post |
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Eight weeks ago, I sat bleeding on the Michigan asphalt, trying to remember who I was, where I had been, and where I was going......sat there for a long time! Now, I "wear all I can bear!"
  
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ScooterTramp
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 04:54 am | 32nd Post |
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WingedNut wrote: ScooterTramp wrote: She had plans for requiring bumpers, seat belts and handle bars for the passenger on motorcycles. A bunch of other dip **** ideas.
Sure hope you aren't implying the use of helmets is a dip **** idea.
Not at all, a helmet has a use. I am not telling anyone not to wear one. Go ahead and wear one (like we have a choice, here). A helmet is a good piece of gear, specially during the winter – keeps my head warm.
The idea that a helmet is some kind of safety ‘force field’ is a dip shit idea. It isn’t going to prevent an accident. If this were true there would be no motorcycle fatalities in the states that have helmet laws. In the passed month or so, I know of several deaths on motorcycles. One was a 12 year old girl. All were wearing helmets. Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.
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UBarW
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 05:21 am | 33rd Post |
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| I think the only real point is that fatalities dont go away, but they do drop when wearing a helmet.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 05:26 am | 34th Post |
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UBarW wrote: I think the only real point is that fatalities dont go away, but they do drop when wearing a helmet.
I think that little girl may have another view point on that.
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chris in va
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 05:57 am | 35th Post |
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It's absolutely ridiculous to not wear a helmet. I've seen too many trauma cases from people going without one. Thing is, they lived...but I wouldn't call that 'living'.
Maybe we don't know the day we'll die, but I believe we have a choice whether it gets pushed ahead of schedule or not.
Oh, I just heard the other day. Guys stopped at an overlook admiring the view, a guy rounds the bend on a cruiser and wipes out in the corner on some gravel (or too hot). He had a half helmet. Let's just say his jaw took the blow, and he was in extreme pain for at least an hour before the ambulance could get to them. Maybe I look goofy with a full face Arai on my 83 Interstate, but at least my face gets the protection it needs.
Here's an example I found on Google. Also saw the same thing in a MC shop here locally.
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ScooterTramp
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 06:13 am | 36th Post |
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chris in va wrote: It's absolutely ridiculous to not wear a helmet. I've seen too many trauma cases from people going without one. Thing is, they lived...but I wouldn't call that 'living'.
Maybe we don't know the day we'll die, but I believe we have a choice whether it gets pushed ahead of schedule or not.
Oh, I just heard the other day. Guys stopped at an overlook admiring the view, a guy rounds the bend on a cruiser and wipes out in the corner on some gravel (or too hot). He had a half helmet. Let's just say his jaw took the blow, and he was in extreme pain for at least an hour before the ambulance could get to them. Maybe I look goofy with a full face Arai on my 83 Interstate, but at least my face gets the protection it needs.
Here's an example I found on Google. Also saw the same thing in a MC shop here locally.
A month ago, a car slammed on the brakes on the interstate. The rider tried to swerve to the shoulder to avoid the collision. He clipped the car. He woke up in the hospital and his ex-wife (the passenger) was in a comma.
The witnesses told the state patrol the car deliberately stopped in front of the motorcycle, then sped off. Nobody got the license number, because they all stopped to help the motorcycle riders. No one chased after the car to get the number. This is natural.
Anyway, when the man came too he and the immediate family had to make the decision to unplug his ex-wife (and their mother). She is gone and he is not doing well – mentally. They are keeping an ‘eye’ on him. One of the guys, at work, knows him personally. I’ll know more about his in a while. They were, both, wearing full face helmets.
Think any of them give a **** about your picture? At least ‘the guy’ (you heard about) is still alive.
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chris in va
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 07:10 am | 37th Post |
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Wow, that was really uncalled for.
Oh BTW, 'alive' isn't really the word when you're in a coma.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 07:12 am | 38th Post |
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Welcome to one of the infamous helmet threads.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 08:53 am | 39th Post |
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Hi folks,
Well it has always seemed to me, on this side of the pond, that when I have read these debates before, the "I know best" and "the right to choose" brigade tend to win the argument, through force of numbers usually. "Might is right" seems to prevail (seems to be an American thing...)
Paranoia about Federal Government might be a factor also....some laws are there to HELP you....PROTECT you from your own stupidity....
Riding a motorcycle is a relatively dangerous activity...take precautions....wear a helmet and protective gear....not to is irresponsible....your skin is precious....
There....I feel better already....I'm off to my bunker now, in anticipation of the response to this....
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 09:48 am | 40th Post |
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Coming in hot with a hot dog marine chopper pilot bringing you in to rescue a downed pilot with small arms fire tearing into the skin of the chopper and metal jackets hitting the armor under your feet, you learn to love your flak vest and any other protective gear you can find. If you could dig a hole and hide you would. I have tried to fit in my helmet a couple times, never could make it. All that gear, does not insure you will survive to come back and do it again another day, but it sure did help.
A kevlar vest will not always save a police officer from death......but does 99 percent of the time.
Same with a full face motorcycle helmet. Who of you really wants to get hurt? Concrete and asphalt is mean......it will grind off your skin and flesh to the bone, it will even with protective gear on just from the tearing force of blunt trauma tear your knee cap off and lay it in your lap.
I have had a helmet save my life twice in my younger young and dumb days. I have also had to have my kneecap sewed back on. There are many things a helmet will not save you from. If you get slammed from behind......or you hit something with force, just the impact can break bones and tear up internal organs.....one of the most fragile is your spleen......and the most deadly to get damaged.
Thing is that helmet will sure save you 99 percent of the time from a serious head injury. It may well allow you to survive and come back and ride another day. It will certainly save you from disfigurement and the terrible pain and trauma of having your face half way ground off and your jaw broken and lose of your teeth.......and your eyes......what if you do survive.....and cannot see?
The helmet NaySayer's. I fully understand the attitude and viewpoints behind that. And I understand my friends who do not wear a helmet, and their rebel attitude. One of my friends goes to the State House just about every year when ABATE sponsors the no helmet rally and march on the state house to protest any new helmet laws and concerns. I understand it.........but do not agree with it.
Many of us hate to be told what to do. It just does not sit right to have our government in our lives tell us how we can act. I also hate taxes, and stupid rules and laws. I do not like having other people tell me I can or can not do something. That is just it seems to be how most of us who ride feel for the most part. We are unique, after all we do ride a motorcycle, we know it is dangerous....but we also love the freedom of the ride, the enjoyment of the ride......motorcycles and air craft have people who always have more of an adventureous spirit and a sense of freedom, that many never have had or ever will have. So you do get the attitude of .....oy yea.......going to tell me what to do are you....... Yes I understand.....
Underneath the protest against helmets is the actual protest against the rules and reguations of life. It is an outlet.....a way to speak up...a way to protest......but it is like shooting yourself in the foot.
When the fellows all march on the state house and take thier Harleys up there and line the parking spaces at the Capitol building ....and when the politicians come out to speak.....fire up the bikes and drown out thier words with the reving of the loud pipes all they are doing is adding more ammunition to the cause against motorcycles. Not only are the politicians now sure they are right......but any observors .....are now quite convinced ....boy this sure is a bunch of hoodlums. The public you are trying to impress.......does not understand.....they do not ride nor care to....they do not understand your attitude........and do not care. You are now just a threat to them and fear you will steal thier children.
I wear a helmet......always. I have taught my two sons to wear a helmet and protective gear. I do not feel it restrictive.....but as I do care the world for them, I just wish them to be as safe as possible. I know I cannot protect them always, and do not try to.....I just like to take lifes long experinces and put them to use.
It only makes sense to me to do all I can to protect myself......to maybe survive for a couple more years......and to protect those I love.
Does this help any to understand? Not trying to stomp on anything.....just trying to put it into a way to understand.......like one fellow says......I am like that William Shatner guy......half crazy........
Kit
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