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orange1800
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 10:21 am | 41st Post |
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Well said Kit,
Very eloquently put indeed. But I expect the same old responses from the " die hards", pun intended!!!
If you are thick enough not to understand the need for a helmet, you do not deserve the skills and dedication of the Rescue Services, who someday you may be screaming for as you scrape your face off the tarmac...
At least think of your loved ones....spare them the anguish of looking on as you are taken away to rehab (if you are lucky....)
Check out the poll results....75% of respondants can't all be wrong!!!
Steve
Last edited on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 01:39 pm by orange1800
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handyrandy
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 12:28 pm | 42nd Post |
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Believe it or not PA repealed its Helmet law a few years ago thanks to extensive Abate lobbying. Last I heard it might get reinstated. Duno for sure. Wait and see I guess. My friend and riding buddy never wears his. I always were mine. I just feel naked with out it.
I call my helmet the A.S.D.....Stands for Anti Slobber Device. I figure it might keep me from having to spend the remander of my years strapped in a chair slobbering. 
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 07:09 pm | 43rd Post |
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| I actually wish it were mandatory to wear it in Illinois. It would make the choice easier for me. I admit I only wear it half the time. My reasons are stupid. but that is my choice right now.
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pmuscutt
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 09:48 pm | 44th Post |
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FenderHead Wrote:
Just so you younger folks understand both sides, back then, insurance company lobbying had a lot of influence in making the laws, and states were "blackmailed" with threat of withholding Federal highway revenues if they failed to make these laws.
FenderHead,
So what your saying is nothings changed.
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Dave44142
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 10:07 pm | 45th Post |
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Nightwing83 wrote: I use to not wear my helmet all the time but when I get back on the bike again it will be there I know our helmets are a big factor in Erika and I surviving our accident at 70mph and I don't want think what the out come would have been with out them
Phil & Erika
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When i began to ride back in 1972 here in Ohio, the Law was that everyone Had to wear a Helmet at all times. It has since been changed. Once i learned to ride and got used to the helmet i don't every want to ride with out one...I did not know that you were in an accident at 70 mph... is there a place here on this sight that explins what happed? Last edited on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 05:36 am by Dave44142
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DeDubya
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 10:08 pm | 46th Post |
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| Always. Don't feel prepared to ride w/o the headgear.
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Blackdog
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 11:31 pm | 47th Post |
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Double rollover with an 850 pound bike - out canyon running in 2003. First point of contact for me was my head - no memory from 5 minutes before the ride until the wake-up in the ER. Reconstruction showed I hit a cooler sized 6 inch depression in the road in full cornering lean. I saved the lowside and double rolled the high. Glad I had the mandatory helmet - I still had a bad concussion and it took me 6-8 weeks to think, speak and act right after that incident (some say I never did anyway!!! LOL )
In Central California I go full face all the time now. We are one of the farming capitals of the world - farmes hire beekeepers to pollinate their crops - can see acres of hive boxes on any given ride. Other bugs prevail as well - yellow buterfly-moths on alfalfa (looks like ya lost a paintball battle after riding through a flock of those!!), Moths, flys, dragon flies (these things are as big as small birds - and hurt!!!) 
Learned to ride the "Big Bikes" with some riders that were always "cool" and had to take their helments off as soon as they are allowed - no more. Full face-full time for me. Protects from bugs, the elements, road noise, drivers tossing stuff like lit cigarettes, emptying their coffee (yep experienced it twice) out the window, poorly secured garbage in the back of pick-ups (every day) . The good news is that all the "gangstas" now wear full-face to hide their identities - so it is now cool to wear full face in California. Whoda thunk? Safety AND Fashion too!! 
Pictured below is my head bouncer from '03.
Attachment: Helmet.jpg (Downloaded 73 times) Last edited on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 11:34 pm by Blackdog
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mikef
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 11:47 pm | 48th Post |
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orange1800 wrote:
If you are thick enough not to understand the need for a helmet, you do not deserve the skills and dedication of the Rescue Services, who someday you may be screaming for as you scrape your face off the tarmac...
It's comments like your's, that makes these threads so heated and argumentive. Try having a decent discussion, without adding the holier than thou attitude. You wonder why the results of the poll end up this way? I just drove back from Oshkosh to Milwaukee, site of the upcoming 105 year Harley celebration. I was passed both ways, by litterally hundreds of bikes, from a lot of different states. The clear majority, the MAJORITY were NOT wearing helmets.
I am very aware of the consequences of having an accident, without a helmet. Yet I choose to. Do not begin to tell me whether or not, I deserve those "skills and dedication of the Rescue Services", if that time ever comes. I am breaking no law and certainly not disrupting your life. Last edited on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 11:48 pm by mikef
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 12:35 am | 49th Post |
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UBarW wrote: I think the only real point is that fatalities dont go away, but they do drop when wearing a helmet.
Im not going to debate the helmet issue. I wear one by choice, if washington did not have the law I still would. However.......
As to the drop in fatalities by wearing a helmet.... Yes they do. But on a national average, Fatalities only drop by 1% versus those not wearing a helmet. ONE PERCENT!!! I fail to see why any state can justify the REQUIREMENT of a helmet based on those numbers.
I am a firm believer that it is the person who is riding should have the ability to decide if they will or will not wear a helmet. As for me, I would still wear one even if it was not law here.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 01:20 am | 50th Post |
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I have wrecked two helmets, both Kevlar/Fiberglass, and walked away from the wrecks. The first helmet had a gouge about 1/2 inch wide, 6 inches long, and deep enough to see the terry cloth lining on the inside. Did the helmet save my life, undoubtably.
The other wreck happened when a moron changed lanes and clipped my front tire. I flipped and landed on the top of my helmet. The center/top part of teh helmet was soft and very flexible after the impact. I don't think I would have been around to see my grandkids after that one either.
It is your choice to wear a helmet or not, but it does impact all of us. We go to the funerals or visit you in the hospital while your wife (or husband) grieves for teh person that you used to be.Last edited on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 01:21 am by BC
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RoundmanFabrications
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 01:53 am | 51st Post |
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| Only in states that require it and in the rain or cold.
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98Wing-487
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 02:24 am | 52nd Post |
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Kit Carson wrote:
... Many of us hate to be told what to do. It just does not sit right to have our government in our lives tell us how we can act. I also hate taxes, and stupid rules and laws. I do not like having other people tell me I can or can not do something. That is just it seems to be how most of us who ride feel for the most part....
You hit the proverbial nail on the head Kit...again. 
My son's father-in-law has been ticketed 3 times in the last year in NY state because he refuses to wear a seat belt. He don't like the govt. infringing on his rights. I thought driving was a privilege in this country. After $50 a pop,(or more?)...I think he's buckling up now. Some times its smarter to just give up the fight and go with the flow. It's not that big a deal and it may save your life.
Always wore helmets riding dirt bikes...even when we were kids. Just seemed like the smart thing to do. Saved my noggin several times. I wear a goofy looking styrofoam helmet when I ride my bicycle...and guess what? It saved me from a severe head trauma. I hit a root and went over the bars and hit a tree. The "helmet" split in two. It rang my bell pretty good but I still know my ABC's and my name...so far.
A local Harley legend and store owner here in NC died in a motorcycle wreck in Montana about a month ago. The man had literally hundreds of thousands of miles of experience and was instrumental in group rides and charitable events. Great guy. Good experienced rider. For some reason, he went ahead of the group and tried passing a car in his lane that happened to be turning left. Witnesses said the car had his turn signals on and wasn't doing anything wrong. He hit the car broadside, went over the car and hit his head on a wooden sign post. There was a picture of the bike, a 2009 Harley, with his helmet locked onto the bike. Montana doesn't require helmets. That one day of not wearing a helmet killed the man. Such a waste and loss.
If it's the law...wear it and quit whining about it. It may...just MAY save your life.
If you are not required to wear one, quit bitchin about people who do.
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Cousin Jack
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 02:25 am | 53rd Post |
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I think full-face helmets are even more comfortable in the heat.......
Try this experiment: Pull on a full-face helmet, if your wife still has hair, have her go get a powerful hair dryer and blast you in the face shield with it for thirty minutes or so.... then have her stop and you take off your helmet. Put on your favorite Wally World Foster Grants, your cool, Sturgis do-rag, and have your wife blast you in the face with the hair dryer for another 30 minutes...... which did you prefer?
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 02:30 am | 54th Post |
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chris in va wrote: Wow, that was really uncalled for.
Oh BTW, 'alive' isn't really the word when you're in a coma.
Sure it was. Sometimes reality slaps you. Not fun, but that’s the way it is. I've done my time on the table, didn't like that either.
I don't recall saying anyone, in a coma, was alive. Guess it depends on your view point though, I'd give them a chance. I don't know how long they waited to unplug her wasn't long though. If it means that much, to you, I'll find out.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 02:34 am | 55th Post |
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98Wing-487 wrote:
If it's the law...wear it and quit whining about it. It may...just MAY save your life.
If you are not required to wear one, quit bitchin about people who do.
And likewise, quit bitchin' about people who don't.
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98Wing-487
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 02:41 am | 56th Post |
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mikef wrote: 98Wing-487 wrote:
If it's the law...wear it and quit whining about it. It may...just MAY save your life.
If you are not required to wear one, quit bitchin about people who do.
And likewise, quit bitchin' about people who don't.
Yeah...I guess so. Refer to first line of my quote. I guess it goes both ways.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 02:46 am | 57th Post |
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98Wing-487 wrote: mikef wrote: 98Wing-487 wrote:
If it's the law...wear it and quit whining about it. It may...just MAY save your life.
If you are not required to wear one, quit bitchin about people who do.
And likewise, quit bitchin' about people who don't.
Yeah...I guess so. Refer to first line of my quote. I guess it goes both ways.
That's all I want to hear. I don't want to argue with anyone about this, or any issues.......usually. A good discussion goes along way to changing peoples minds. I'm already reconsidering my thoughts about SaberCycle, based on some of the more rational comments, but that's another thread......
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 03:17 am | 58th Post |
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There are risks riding motorcycles. Some of them we can control. The ‘local Harley legend’ was killed by stupidity – trying to pass that car. Nothing will protect you from that. Beating each other up over helmets won’t stop this either. Protective gear is not a cure for stupid.
There are people, on the road, that have killed motorcycle riders and/or their passengers and have not been held accountable for this. Everyday, I am confronted with a car or truck that is trying to kill me. That’s ok though, because we have a helmet law and have to wear them. All is well with the world.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 03:41 am | 59th Post |
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Because I live in a Blue State where they have taken away my right to CHOOSE I have also lost my ability to participate meaningfully in your poll.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:08 am | 60th Post |
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| I AM A PARAMEDIC AND TRUST ME IT IS INSANE NOT TO wear a helment if you think so just come worke with me for awhile promice you will change your mind. NEVER GET ON MINE WITHOUT IT.
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