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| Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 01:12 pm | 21st Post |
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exavid wrote: The bike riders are indeed all idiots but the SUV driver is likely to be the only one found at fault because it was a rear ender type accident. Exavid: this applies to knowbody in particular buddy, just a rant really.... That rider could be charged with misdemeanor Reckless Endangerment.... So, with the list of assumption rolling on, I submit some Pros and Cons as I see them, and from a fellow bikers viewpoint. Cons first... 1. It did involve a accident. ($2600 SUV repairs, though anecdotal as it is) 2. It was during daylight hours. (As opposed to night-time hours) 3. The rider put the general public at risk of Serious Injury or Death. (In this case, a Mother and her infant child in the back seat, specifically). 4. The riders prior knuckleheaded criminal driving history. (Probably and Likely apply here) Now.. with these four points alone, that rider, and all of us, could be dealing with this for years. Up to a year in jail, 5 years Probation thereafter, loss of license for a indefinite term (but if prior history shows evidence of reckless behaviour, this cat will likely see significant jail-time and a 5 year revocation of driving privileges, if not longer). The SUV physical damages are nothing to sneeze at in comparison to the open-ended $35,000+ Civil-Suit the woman is likely to get awarded for follow-up care of her child, for any myriad number of reasons. Then he faces the mountain of financial blows to re-integrate himself into the driving community; restricted driving privileges (which he'll probably violate), SR-22 insurance filings (which he'll probably allow to lapse), the inability to function in the service-based employment-class that is his most profitable financial base due to his future companies insurance stipulations, as he now works for McDonalds flipping your burgers.) Out of frustrations due to his new-found life skills, he routinely beats his "partying partner" of the other thread who is now shacked-up with his buddy of 3 years ago, bearing his child and raising theirs on our dime. Hmmmm. Does he eventually commit suicide at the age of thirty as a last resort? Now the Pros: Well, in Virginia, the Knucklehead need not be found for a conviction in this case. Society has no empathy for him. So, as I've stated before.. Solve the problem up front... Give the Zoom-Splat a break, and take him to your nearest track. We all claim camaraderie and ride 9 million miles out of the way for a M&G, coffee, what have you,... but it is selective GL camaraderie isn't it. Passing judgement on who? Just a rant people.... just a Sunday morning rant.... 
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 01:16 pm | 22nd Post |
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No problem on the Sunday morning rant we all need these little vents. I had mine yesterday. 
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 01:36 pm | 23rd Post |
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johnmac wrote: So, if the SUV driver stopped, would anyone come forth and tell what really happened? Bet that tape would have been long gone...
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 03:07 pm | 24th Post |
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Rupert wrote: johnmac wrote:So, if the SUV driver stopped, would anyone come forth and tell what really happened? Interesting thought, and probably correct. The only reason that tape is available is because one of the bikers wanted to use it against the driver because the driver left. If the driver stuck around, that tape would have been totally against the biker, and so it likely wouldn't have ever been shown.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 05:38 pm | 25th Post |
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CaptainMidnight85 wrote: Exavid: this applies to knowbody in particular buddy, just a rant really.... I have to disagree with this. I do not claim kinship with idiots. The 'facts' (video) clearly show those people laid claim to that section of the road to perform their skateboard stunts, on motorcycles. This, in itself is childishly stupid. Judging from the yelling, in the background, the children were trying to warn (stop) the driver as she was coming around the corner. Before she could see him? So, she is starting into the corner and these kids all start waving at here. This would have distracted her, most likely, to the point she didn't see the dumbass, on the bike, until it was to late. I can see why a more timid person would not 'stick around', when you have a bunch of boys running at you and yelling. Maybe not wanting to stop in the middle of a blind corner? But we don't know if she reported it later. She must have seen the camera. We only got the idiots perspective on this. At some point, these kids are going to have to take on some adult behavior's. Like forethought. The world is not their, personal, play ground. This, obviously, was never made clear to them, by anyone responsible for their upbringing. What if there had been another vehicle, coming the other direction? Butthead would have been road kill. What if it was another motorcycle coming around that corner, from the other direction? Say, like Mama and me? Then what? Boys will be boys? I think not. They are a hazard. That kid got a do-over. But it isn't always going to be like that. The road is not the place for this kind of crap. Sooner or later, the road will teach them what nobody else did. I really don't care about that, by itself. But, these morons might take somebody out with them?.....that is where I object. They should be 'set apart' from those of us that ride responsibly, or at least measure our risk by the impact on others. If they're not smart enough to find (or fund) a 'safe' place to play around, it ain't my job to do it for them. Darwin will take care of this.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 06:08 pm | 26th Post |
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ST, I understand that you may disagree with the statement of action quoted by me, but some may take your reply as the exact reasoning for the statement you've quoted me as saying.... Personally, I refuse to set myself apart from anyone on two-wheels. I owe that to my past, but that's me.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 11:55 pm | 27th Post |
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CaptainMidnight85 wrote: ST, I understand that you may disagree with the statement of action quoted by me, but some may take your reply as the exact reasoning for the statement you've quoted me as saying.... I wasn't attempting to to mislead anyone about what you posted. Just disagreed with it. What I was, attempting to correct was the ... "We all claim camaraderie..." part. I am selective on whom I call Brother. I owe this to those I do call brother.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26th, 2009 01:26 am | 28th Post |
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ScooterTramp wrote: CaptainMidnight85 wrote:ST, I understand that you may disagree with the statement of action quoted by me, but some may take your reply as the exact reasoning for the statement you've quoted me as saying.... Camaraderie and Brotherhood are one in the same? Ohh.... OK....  ....I see Camaraderie as an action, a state of joined principles and morals that can be shared and exercised upon together. Sharing Camaraderie may include Brothers. I see Brotherhood as a state of being, to put it simply, with connections much deeper than friendship alone can offer. Brothers usually have Camaraderie. In relation to my quoted post, I can appreciate your attempt at correcting my statemant, but it needs no correcting. Camaraderie is not Brotherhood. The ""We all claim camaraderie..." part" is evident by simple posting to this forum although this action does not make us brothers. It gives implication that I am ignorant to the differences between the two words should I not respond and defend my original post, of which I said what I meant. I owe this to those whom I call Brother, and possible to those I share Camaraderie with as there are no semantics involved. ... 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26th, 2009 03:01 am | 29th Post |
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Ok......I understand where you're coming from know. To be clear, then. I do not claim 'Camaraderie' with morons (like those in the video). Therefore the collective 'we' still, either does not apply or is not all inclusive. How's that?
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26th, 2009 04:03 am | 30th Post |
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The collective "we" does apply, and it is all inclusive. What I posted did not include anyone outside of this forum in particular, and Steves site in general. If those jokers were in here posting then the collective "we" argument could be had. There is nothing about my statement that needs correcting. It's a take it or leave it deal. Somehow you are missing the balance of the statement, "...but it is selective GL camaraderie isn't it. Passing judgement on who?", as this completes the paragraph and the idea behind it. With that being said, it, the paragraph, fits you exactly, and certainly many faceless, nameless others. Myself, I feel a camaraderie towards anyone getting on a bike, even If they're a Moron, Simpleton, Rocket-Scientist, Elitist, and even an A$$hole, I still understand why they do it.  The basis for the paragraph is simple. If this behaviour by "Zoom-Splats" is such a pain in your ass to witness, then take some time out of your busy riding schedule and help the chump respect the bike, and the road, before he takes-out your family. But if selective camaraderie prevents you from helping a moron (like those in the video), I'm certain that bitching about it here does even less. But hey, maybe it's just me that you've the real problem with. I can understand that as I speak without regret, and sometimes in the harshest of tones.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26th, 2009 09:12 pm | 31st Post |
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Credit to "Buffalo Springfield" "There's something happenin here. What it is ain't exactly clear."  Or is it??
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 03:04 am | 32nd Post |
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Can I chime in on this subject? Well, I will anyway. The biker, whether you believe or claim him to be your brother on different type of bike, was an idiot. I will not and do not condone what he was doing on public streets. The driver of the SUV is a bigger idiot. In the state of Texas, if you hit somebody in the rear of their vehicle, 99.999999% of the time, you are at fault. Hit and run in Texas is a class a FELONY with getting a good chance to meet Bubba up close and personal in the shower room. I have NO sympathy for the driver of the SUV. If the driver was paying attention to their surrounding, they would not have hit the biker. One point nobody has made, the driver of the SUV was already following the biker into the blind corner before the crash, so they were aware of the biker. As far as the brother and camadrie spat going on, I feel every biker that rides on two or even three, is a brother of the biker family. Family members come in all shapes and sizes and levels of intelligence. Now do I feel brothers of the two wheeled world are my camadries, no.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 03:07 am | 33rd Post |
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A friendly reminder...........Let's keep it civil.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 03:35 am | 34th Post |
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LOl .... In the immortal words of one Ric Flair: >> ... "Whooooooo!". 
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 12:46 am | 35th Post |
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Flyone wrote: A friendly reminder...........Let's keep it civil. C'mon, me be civil???
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 04:12 pm | 36th Post |
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82gl1100iwingman wrote: Can I chime in on this subject? Well, I will anyway. The biker, whether you believe or claim him to be your brother on different type of bike, was an idiot. I will not and do not condone what he was doing on public streets. The driver of the SUV is a bigger idiot. In the state of Texas, if you hit somebody in the rear of their vehicle, 99.999999% of the time, you are at fault. Hit and run in Texas is a class a FELONY with getting a good chance to meet Bubba up close and personal in the shower room. I have NO sympathy for the driver of the SUV. If the driver was paying attention to their surrounding, they would not have hit the biker. One point nobody has made, the driver of the SUV was already following the biker into the blind corner before the crash, so they were aware of the biker. Another point nobody made: The SUV was already following the bike into the blind corner before the crash so why wasn't the bike aware of the SUV? Especially if he was going to pull the dumbest stunt on the planet in the stupidest place on the planet. I'm sure the driver said to herself "Gee I should watch out here in case this idiot decides to do a stoppie in the middle of the road in front of me at the end of this corner even though he should know I'm behind him." It appears from the video that the bike had rear view mirrors. (at least before the accident) I know what's around me at all times. It keeps me alive.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 07:00 pm | 37th Post |
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Well, for all the assumption being made, and knowing Break.com pays for featured video, and knowing this is a YouTube-Boob.... why would anyone think this is legit in the first place? Could be, maybe, we've all been scammed. Hmmm. wouldn't be the first time for a set-up video....
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 09:15 pm | 38th Post |
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The funniest thing is......that SUV was probably that group of organ donor's video crew. Wouldn't be the first time a bunch of Oxygen thieves like that took their own bad selves out. The real crime here is that the SUV driver didn't back over that knucklehead, thus ensuring his genes do not polute the gene pool.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 10:15 pm | 39th Post |
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Stunting is not a crime, however doing it in a reckless manner on a public street/highway is. The bike rider was putting other drivers at risk with his driving and should be charged appropriately. The SUV driver was following to close, caused an accident, and fled the scene of the accident. Had a deer ran out in front of the bike he would have had to stop just as fast. The SUV would still have hit the bike. The SUV driver is also at fault in this case.
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