| What's your state's endorsment requirement? | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 02:40 am | 1st Post |
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What's the law regarding endorsements in your state(s). Oregon just passed stiffer requirements to get endorsements. Since 1997, all new applicants under 21 must do Team Oregon, or any other DOT approved training. Next Jan 1, all apps under 31 will be required to do Team Oregon. By Jan 1, 2015, all new riders of any age will be required to do Team Ore. And, I've heard the fine for not having endorsement will be quite horrific!!   This begs the question. When will they require a rider with 50 yrs of experience to do the test?  Never ends.  But, on the other hand, we get the gubm't we deserve. IE, stupid stuff going on, regarding motorcycle riding. Like 200 hp crotch rockets in the hands of an 18 yr old.   Guess I can't edit the subject line. Left an e out Last edited on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 02:43 am by Oregonwinger ____________________ Knicknacks by Eric of Holland (former LTD rider) 80 Int., 85 Int., 85 LTD, 90/2000 1500, and now a 2006 Nav, Cabernet Red |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 02:55 am | 2nd Post |
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AsI understand North Carolina laws, there are 2 types of motorcycle endorsements. One is a written test only which will allow you to ride solo. the other is a written and road test you must pass to ride 2 up. I dont think age is any factor except that years ago you didnt have to do either and could be grandfathered if you simply said "I want the endorsement". Like i said, i cant be positive because at 42 years old i feel like I dont need the state to be my nanny and tell me what i can and cant do with a motorcycle. I been riding since I was a kid. I been thinking about going this year and bowing down to the nanny state just so that I dont have to deal with the problem should I actually get stopped. LP All riders must wear DOT helmets too, Because the nanny said so.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 03:22 am | 3rd Post |
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Oregonwinger wrote: ............ Looks to me like you got it edited just fine 
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 03:28 am | 4th Post |
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John! LOL That's funny right there.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 03:47 am | 5th Post |
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Idaho solo only, and daytime riding until age of 21. Take skills test after age 21 then 2 up and night time driving OK. More laws- More money- More Stupidity- Why do they have to stick there nose in everything.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 03:57 am | 6th Post |
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Wouldn't have a thing to do with insurance co's. NO????
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 04:21 am | 7th Post |
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Here is what it takes in Indiana (sorry it's sooo long...Blame the Government!!)If You Have a License The first thing you'll need to do is obtain a motorcycle operator's learner permit. The best way to do this is to stop by any license agency, and pick up a copy of the Motorcycle Operator Manual or download one here. You will need to pass a written test based on motorcycle laws and safety before you may get your permit. The information you'll need to pass the test is contained in the manual. When you feel confident enough with your motorcycle knowledge, head back to the agency to take the test. It is free to take, and no appointment is necessary. If you pass the test and pay the $9 fee for the learner permit, you will receive a permit that is valid for one year. It allows you to ride your cycle on public streets and highways. However, you can't ride with passengers, and you can only ride during daylight. Also, you'll need to wear a helmet and eye protection. After you've had your permit for at least 30 days, you may apply for a motorcycle endorsement, which will simply be added to your existing license. You may achieve this by either passing a motorcycle skills (road) test, or by showing that you've successfully completed an approved motorcycle safety course. The following section will give details on how to do both. Motorcycle Training and Testing All motorcycle training and testing in the state goes through ABATE of Indiana (ABATE). For a listing of training schedules, testing locations and times, and other information, just visit their site, or call them at (800) 232-2283. If you decide just to opt for the on-cycle skills test, there is a $10 fee. Make sure to bring along your operator license. If you decide to take the safety course instead, you may register online or call ABATE. The course costs $75. If you pass the course, you will be given a waiver good for one year, which will allow you skip the skills testing. Once you've either successfully completed the skills test or the safety course, take your completion card and permit to any license agency, and you'll receive a new operator's license that will have a motorcycle endorsement. If You Don't Have a License If you fall under this category and are 15 or older, you can still get a motorcycle license. The first thing you should do is enroll in the safety course offered through ABATE. The cost of the course is $75. Then, bring your enrollment card to any license agency for a learner's permit. You'll also need to bring along acceptable proof of identity. Also, if you're younger than 18, a parent or legal guardian will need to sign the financial responsibility section of the permit application form. If everything checks out and you pay the $9 fee, you will get a motorcycle permit, which is valid for one year. Even with this permit, though, you will not be allowed to drive on public streets or highways. You must first pass the safety course and obtain a safety completion card. Then the permit is considered "validated" and you may drive on the roads. You should note that with a permit you won't be allowed to have passengers, and you can only drive during daylight. Also, you'll need to wear a helmet and eye protection. And, you'll need to be under the supervision of someone who is at least 18 and has a motorcycle license or endorsement. (Namely, riding on a cycle nearby.) After you've held your permit for at least 30 days, you can go to any license agency and apply for a motorcycle only license. You'll need to be at least 16 years and 30 days old to do so, however. However, before going to the branch you should study the Motorcycle Operator Manual thoroughly. You may pick up a copy at any branch, or download it. It contains the information you'll need to pass the written test given to you before you can get your license. You don't need to make an appointment to take the required written and vision exams, and both tests are free. Also, if you're younger than 18, be sure to bring along a parent or legal guardian to sign the financial responsibility section of the form. If all goes well, you will receive your license, which only allows you to drive motorcycles. Expiration If you're younger than 18, your license will expire on your 21st birthday. If you're between 18 and 75 years old, your license or endorsement will be valid for six years. If you're between 75 and 85, it's good for three years. And, if you're older than 85, it's good for two years. Fees The fees for your license or endorsement vary according to age:
Last edited on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 04:27 am by Doug D ____________________ DD & da Boiz "God is great, Beer is good, & People are crazy!" GWRRA #296368 Indiana Patriot Guard http://www.kommonscents.net Every day above ground is a GOOD day! |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 08:03 am | 8th Post |
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Ohio is solo with helmet and no passengers and no night time or heavy traffic and no expressway driving while on the temporary. After you pass the skills test you need a helmet for the first year and thats all, after that you can chuck the helmet.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 11:50 am | 9th Post |
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Question is when are they going to go through so much trouble for cagers. It is so easy to get a cage license yet look at all the problems they give us.
____________________ Ritchie & Lyn - New wingers back in the saddle after 25 years GWRRA #304235, PGR member Ride safe and often, Honor those who have gone before us and thank God for being an American. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 02:54 pm | 10th Post |
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In IL, one can get a learners permit by passing the written test at the Secretary of State. That will allow one to ride his/her own motorcycle during daylight hours as long as one is riding with someone else (on his/her own bike), who has had a MCY license for one year or more. To obtain the full endorsement requires passing a riding test as well as the written test at a Secretary of State office. =====OR===== One can take the MSF endorsed Rider Training offered free by the state. Upon successfull completion of this course, one will get a completion card that can be taken to a Secretary of State office and, with $10, get the M endorsement added to his/her license. The class is required for anyone under age 18 with parental permission. Anyone under 18 must also pass the written and riding tests at the Secretary of State, even after successuful completion of a Rider Traning course. Insurance is required at the same levels as automobile insurance. There are no mandatory helmet laws in IL. Sometime after age 80, one must take and pass a riding test every couple of years. I belive there's also a trike restriction for those who can only pass the test with a trike. Last edited on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 02:55 pm by rt66john |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 03:23 pm | 11th Post |
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Cagers complain about cyclists just as we complain about them. Both have legal gripes about the other. There are stupid cagers out there and there are stupid cyclists out there. We both need to learn to be more safe, focus on what we are doing, and have concern for everyone else on the highways. With all the drivers ed. classes in schools you would think we would have drivers who know how to drive and how to concentrate; but they talk on phones, text and site see instead of driving. There are cyclists out there that insist on weaving in and out of traffic, doing wheelies and riding 100 plus MPH. No rhyme or reason why human beings do stupid things; but we do. Bernie
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 03:28 pm | 12th Post |
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I Have always said it and I still say it kids shouldn't be put on 140 or 200 mph bike when I was 15 I got a 5 brake horsepower permit to ride to school on my 125 honda only the slide stop had to be put on by dealer & accompany paperwork to DMV man where we cool  . but at 16 years old if you had the money down and a paper route you could by a Kawi 900 no parents signature but that was 39 years AGOLast edited on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 03:39 pm by Lightin ____________________ The Road is long winding hilly flat hot cold sun stars AINT IT FUN!!!! 1st bike 125HD in 1969 250Honda Dream 750Honda 10 HD 89aspencade 1994 GL 1500 Trike Past ------------------- 91HD Trike project |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 04:19 pm | 13th Post |
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OK State of Texas says that at age 15 if you pass the MSF course, and the State written test you may only get an "Instruction Permit" which means that you can only ride in sight of a licensed motorcycle rider, and your motorcycle may not exceed 250cc....Plus you must also have a certified letter from your parents giving you permission to get a class "M" drivers licenses....At age 16 the 250cc requirement is dropped....But you till age 18 must be insight of a fully licensed motorcycle operator.....This also requires you to wear a helmet...... At age 18 you may change your "Instruction Permit" into a class "M" licenses, but to do that you must show proper ID, SS number, proof that you have taken a MSF course and passed it, last but not least you must provide a copy of vehicle registration, if you own a motorcycle, and proof of liability insurance on your motorcycle....You still are required to wear a helmet.... Over 21 if you prove that you have taken the MSF courses and passed them or can provide proof of health insurance coverage you now can not ride with a helmet on...I forget the amount of Health insurance required but it's not cheap.... Just within the past couple of years or so Texas DPS quit doing the driving part of getting a motorcycle licenses...Now you must have taken a certified MSF course and passed it...Then you only take the written test, if you pass then you get your class"M" licenses.....MSF courses cost from $175.00 to over $200.00 depending on where you take it and what day of the week..Weekends cost more, some classes run two days some three days sun shine, rain, sleet or snow???..... First time I took my motorcycle license test I was 15 years old and I took it on a 1955 Cushman Highlander...I passed it with flying colors....Made 100's on both written and driving part...Second time I took it was on my 1978 GS-1000 Suzuki...I was doing great until my last two right turns...At the first right turn to get back to the station, there was this temporary sign in front of this burger joint....I had to ease out into the crosswalk to see past it....Then my last right turn was no problem...That Officer following me took off 10 points for me easing out into that crosswalk???? I told him about that sign, he said wait a minute came back scratched out that 10 points off gave me a 100....I rode back over after I got my licenses to that burger joint where I seen too hands out moving that sign..... Now I have to go take a MSF courses and go take the written test again to get my licenses...I have full coverage on a 1982 Gold Wing, only way my wife would get insurance on it, and we do have Great health insurance so I shouldn't have any problems....In one way I personally am glad the State did require getting an MSF course required for a Class"M" licenses....At least the guys and gals doing these courses will do their best to keep some unsafe riders off the roads...But there will always be those who will not go get their licenses because they can't either afford the fee's or just don't have insurance etc.....I personally can't afford to get a ticket for no Class "M" on my licenses, because it would cause me to possibly lose my job at where I work.....I have ridden with and know riders who have never had a class"M" licenses and I won't condemn them for not having one either..Those I knew were some of the best riders I have ever rode with... Claude....
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 05:42 pm | 14th Post |
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Dubswing, I agree, stupid people do stupid stuff. I just think they shoud include some sort of "keep and eye out for m/c riders" training in cagers license requirements. Just a safety note. In VA you can take the MSF course and take your card to DMV and get your M endorsement if you already have a car license
____________________ Ritchie & Lyn - New wingers back in the saddle after 25 years GWRRA #304235, PGR member Ride safe and often, Honor those who have gone before us and thank God for being an American. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 05:57 pm | 15th Post |
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Dubswing wrote: Cagers complain about cyclists just as we complain about them. Both have legal grips about the other. There are stupid cagers out there and there are stupid cyclists out there. We both need to learn to be more safe, focus on what we are doing, and have concern for everyone else on the highways. With all the drivers ed. classes in schools you would think we would have drivers who know how to drive and how to concentrate; but they talk on phones, text and site see instead of driving. There are cyclists out there that insist on weaving in and out of traffic, doing wheelies and riding 100 plus MPH. No rhyme or reason why human beings do stupid things; but we do. I think the average human gets very bored, very fast, and feels isolated unless he/she is "connected". Especially, younger species. Hence, the inattentiveness, and "daredevil" driving attitude.
____________________ Knicknacks by Eric of Holland (former LTD rider) 80 Int., 85 Int., 85 LTD, 90/2000 1500, and now a 2006 Nav, Cabernet Red |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 06:11 pm | 16th Post |
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It's called a cash cow for the state. As long as they think they can make a buck they will keep changing the laws.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 06:28 pm | 17th Post |
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In 1967 in Oregon to get a MC endorsment you rode aroud the block if you made you got the edorsement. Then when they changed the law you get grand fathered.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 07:29 pm | 18th Post |
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I legally rode motorscooters and motorcycles since 1956. When they came out with bike licenses I was of course grandfathered in. I kept the endorsement for years until one year the DMV in Juneau accidently omitted it in a renewal. I didn't care, didn't have a bike a the time. Well I should have, I went back to owning a bike and had to jump through all the hoops. I don't driver commercially any more but learned my lesson, I'll keep that CDL just in case.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 09:50 pm | 19th Post |
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redbaron wrote:
I got my regular drivers liscense when I was 14 and drove parents vehicles. A year or so later, I got an Allstate (made by Cushman), but don't remember having to have an endorsement way back then. I was glad to see them require the MSF course here in Texas.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10th, 2010 02:51 am | 20th Post |
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Mississippi requires you to pass a written test based upon the book and then a drivers test. I was asked to drive around the building.......back when I was in school, all it took was to pass the written test and be 15. Alabama asked me if I had the endorsement for motorcycles on my Mississippi DL. I did and was given the Alabama endorsement. No muss no fuss!
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