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| Posted: Thu Mar 11th, 2010 05:14 pm | 1st Post |
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I just brought new tires and had themput on,(bridgestone) They seem to be riding good. My question is some of my friends are going to put car tires on the back of there goldwing. my question is I would motorcycle tires would be safer or am I wrong. Just curious Jim
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11th, 2010 05:27 pm | 2nd Post |
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Some riders here run a CT. Read through the thread listed below. Yes I run a CT. Better ride. Way better traction. http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=79105&forum_id=1&highlight=DARKSIDE
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11th, 2010 05:57 pm | 3rd Post |
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Hi: In regards to the 1800 a quality CT of your choice but one that has been proven by previous use is more safe and secure than a motorcycle tire. You can use a ROF and have security in one way in case you do get a flat, but lack of security if you do not notice a lack of air in it. I have been full circle with it myself and I now run a non run flat tire for the softer ride and better performance it gives me than with a ROF. I simply learned over time that even a regular non run flat will never blow out, never cup, never delaminate, and if it goes flat I have a plug and air pump. The non run flats can be used with the current factory TPMS also as a non run flat is used with more air pressure. So ignore the stuff about lean angles, which are true to many other bikes, but you cannot lean the 1800 past the tread on the tires, you have more of a footprint on the road with a CT at all times both up straight and leaned over as the footprint is longer, narrow but longer. They have been proven we are beyond if they work or are safe, now the search is on for which is the best one. A CT does handle a bit different than a motorcycle tire, no better , no worse, just different. Takes about one hour to get used to that, and none of it is negative. This May on a day or two making 800 mile days , to make up time headed for California I will be very glad to have a safe secure rear tire under me on the days I do ride the big slab at 85 or 90 mph with my radar detector on. I feel safe on a CT, and I would make sure I had my insurance paid up and my peace made with God if I was going to push a round tire that hard that long at those speeds. Kit
____________________ The 1800 is my bike. The very best motorcycle ever made. I was enthralled with my first test ride on this machine. It is a great bike. A crotch rocket with storage bags.............As for oil I use the slick kind, and I like round tires, but as of late I have found square ones work best on the rear. Pirelli Eufori 195/55/16 @ 32 PSI Kit |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12th, 2010 12:04 am | 4th Post |
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I agree with Kit. Tho I gave car tire(s) a try and found that I perfer a motorcycle tire on the rear.... my advice is give em a go and see if they fit your riding style and riding conditions. Having a spare rear wheel from a Trike take-off is a nice thing also. A friend of mine switches back and forth depending on the conditions. Long slab runs or all day in the twisties. Got both worlds covered.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15th, 2010 04:11 pm | 5th Post |
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Does anyone know of a tire that will fit the 1200?This is something I would really be interested in doing
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16th, 2010 02:23 am | 6th Post |
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corventure, you are 1 of very few who ever went back to a round tire, Why? I found a car tire does everything better as does most everyone who ever tried it. Just curious.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16th, 2010 06:03 pm | 7th Post |
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DaveO430 wrote: corventure, you are 1 of very few who ever went back to a round tire, Why? I found a car tire does everything better as does most everyone who ever tried it. Just curious. Quite simple... tight Twisties... lot's of them! If I spent more time on the open highway I would run the CT. Have even thought of having another one just for the daily commute but I am not concerned in saving a few dollars on tread wear, so the MC tire for me is fine. I do not pull a trailer. I also was not happy with some of the performance. Here in Calif we can legally lane split. I do it safely and at low speeds. Many times there is a seam in the road between lanes. The popular CT's I tried walk around too much for me in these and other conditions like tar snakes and severe road crown. Not a huge issue but for me with these conditions, I perfer the MC tire. I do not condemn using a CT. I believe everyone should find what works best for them and their riding - road situations. 
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16th, 2010 08:40 pm | 8th Post |
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Here is a video I took of my car tyre .minimum speed 40 mph and maximum speed 110 mph , even with the pegs scraping there is still over half the tyre firmly planted on the road , I will do a better video next week later on in the evening when the sun does not affect the picture so much , this video was done at 11am and temp of 36 degrees farenheit ..enjoy http://s888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/goldwinger_irl/?action=view¤t=darksiding.flv
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16th, 2010 08:51 pm | 9th Post |
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Never having ridden on a car tire I am not qualified to judge one way or the other,that being said I would be concerned about sidewall design on a car tire which is designed to run vertical whereas a MC tire is designed to run well up onto the sidewall when leaned over in the twisties and thats where most of my riding is done.There are no freeways,no straight stretches,no divided hyways here,more like the Dragons tail and this is not exagerating. I agree with Corventure "Everyone should find what best works for them and their riding road situations" The bikes angle sensor kicks out the cruise control quite frequently in a normal ride around here if that helps to describe the hyways in this area.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16th, 2010 09:03 pm | 10th Post |
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 Keeron,,ive been thinking of going down this road for awhile now,,and with new tyres needed this summer,,,what are you running on your 1800,,whats the rear,,and how much do they cost,as against a Bridgestone,,and what have you on the front?? cheers  Graham,,,,,ps,,and also,, what milage is the CT good forLast edited on Tue Mar 16th, 2010 09:04 pm by pinkpork ____________________ Graham nsu quickly, suzuki 50, yamaha fs1e, yamaha 250yds7, triton 750, trident750t150, norton commando 850 roadster, honda750 f1, honda 750 f2, honda gl 1100, bultaco 250, kawasaki 500 h1, jpn commando ,25yr gap 2001 gl 1800 love it |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16th, 2010 09:18 pm | 11th Post |
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Hi PP . I have a dunlop SP3 wintersport run flat 195/55/16 and a bridgestone on the front ..I hope to get somewhere between 40 and 50000 miles and I paid 130 euro for the tyre as opposed to 200 euro for a bridgestone here in Ireland . I find the tyre very comfortable and super traction and braking .
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16th, 2010 09:31 pm | 12th Post |
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Ilike the sound of that,,ill be giving them ago when i change in the summer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16th, 2010 09:40 pm | 13th Post |
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When you are changing , fit the tyre ,balance the wheel then let the air back out of the tyre and fit the wheel on the bike and then blow the tyre back up again , It makes it a lot easier to get the wheel on ., Ciaran
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17th, 2010 12:22 am | 14th Post |
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A great many riders are daily going to the Darkside. It is an enlightening experience. Just got back from a 370 mile two up ride, we have been on the interstate, the back roads and even some sand and gravel ones. Only got lost once, actually not lost, just where we were going was misplaced. To me, a CT performs better than a round tire under all conditions. If you are concerned about the twisties, do not be, the CT can do that as well as any. Tail walk, yep the ROF tires have some of that, so if you do not like that and want a neutral feel, and balance as close as obtainable so far to a round tire, and still have the safety and reliability and tread wear of a CT..........Try the Falken 912 bead lock. A friend found that tire, a few of us tried it and it is now becoming the tire of choice. At least one of the top choices. It will make you smile. The one thing that stands out with a CT, any of them, above all things, is their traction on wet roads. They far surpass a round tire. So all the yap about hydroplaning and other things has been busted by experience. A very safe tire in the wet. Another way to say it is it gives me the confidence I need to ride my ride. On a round tire I tend to really slow it down, nudge the brakes, use the gears , ride like on eggshells. As a matter of fact all the lean nonsense has been busted time and time again also, you cannot lean the 1800 far enough to get the tire off the tread. And a CT due to its design has more footprint even at the most extreme lean than any round tire. The difference is that the footprint of a CT in a lean is longer where as a round tire is more of a compact small area . Go get you one and give it a try. You might find you like it. Kit Last edited on Wed Mar 17th, 2010 12:33 am by Kit Carson ____________________ The 1800 is my bike. The very best motorcycle ever made. I was enthralled with my first test ride on this machine. It is a great bike. A crotch rocket with storage bags.............As for oil I use the slick kind, and I like round tires, but as of late I have found square ones work best on the rear. Pirelli Eufori 195/55/16 @ 32 PSI Kit |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17th, 2010 12:51 am | 15th Post |
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I have to agree with Kit. I can go much faster in the twisties with a car tire than the E-3s that I've used on the rear before. It has far better traction, stops better, handles the weigh better and safer than the motorcycle tire. I run the big Michlien 205/55/zr16 Pilot Sport AS+, and I've seen Dave0430 (who turned me onto to this tire)just walk away in the twisties from several 1800s, and 1500s, and one 1100. I also know that Dave rides almost every weekend in the twisties riding full out, and anyone who has tried to keep up with him will tell you, that tire works great. I think he has to replace the pegs when he replaces the tires. I'm a lot more conservative in my riding style.Gene 
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17th, 2010 01:56 am | 16th Post |
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Let me say this,I'm listening very carefully here to this thread because its such an important one. All we have between us and the pavement is that small patch of rubber,called a footprint. What has been said here makes a lot of sense. I have new E3'S on my LTD which are considered to be a good quality MC tire. I look at the sipes of the E3'S and this bothers me a bit,there arn't nearly enough sipes. I,like many of you have hit those tar snakes and know that feeling Whoooaa or that puddle of standing water on the pavement.Slicks (no sipes)for racing are for maximum traction on dry pavement but on wet pavement there's next to no traction at all.I watched the video that was presented here and must confess I would feel a lot safer on those tires in rain or running over tar snakes because of the sipes and tread design. Maybe its time for some of us old timers to rethink this.Do we the riders buy the tires the manufactures say belong on a MC or do we the riders tell the manufacturers what we need on our touring MC's and let them deal with it.These are not light bikes,they do pull trailers,haul a heavier load, and ride in all kinds of weather not just on a nice hot sunny day or on a light crotch rocket or medium sized cruiser. Last edited on Wed Mar 17th, 2010 02:13 am by Sparky65 ____________________ "GRAY HAIRED RIDERS DON'T GET THAT WAY BY LUCK" |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17th, 2010 03:25 pm | 17th Post |
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The NON RUN flat 912 in action. Its rounder profile gives it the handling, so many have aspired to accomplish. Hope this works, computers are still a mystery to me sometimes. Kit Falken 912 on Goldwing
____________________ The 1800 is my bike. The very best motorcycle ever made. I was enthralled with my first test ride on this machine. It is a great bike. A crotch rocket with storage bags.............As for oil I use the slick kind, and I like round tires, but as of late I have found square ones work best on the rear. Pirelli Eufori 195/55/16 @ 32 PSI Kit |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17th, 2010 09:00 pm | 18th Post |
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The GL1800 stock tire is 195/55/16 and the Falken 912 NON ROF is listed as stated here. The problem is that so far I'm not coming up with a CT for the GL 1200 stock tire size 130/90/15 Rear. Does anyone know what works? I'm sure there must be an equivalent.A bit of personal history, I dumped my 83 Interstate 10 years ago at 60mph in the rain. The back wheel tried to pass the front fishtailing til I highsided. I still had steerage on the front but the back wheel was like on ice.These were fairly new MC tires. Broke my leg,no harm to the bike. If I can do anything to improve traction in the rain count me in.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 01:35 am | 19th Post |
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Been a lot of people look for a tire for the 1200. So far there had been no solutions found for the 1200. There could be one , in Germany or some country that has other small sport cars with smaller width tires, but I am not aware of them. Most of the CT use is on the 1800 wing, it simply is large enough of a bike and wheel that it lends itself to many applications, where as bikes with a more narrow wheel, do not lend themselves to the solution. A few folks are trying a couple tires on the 1500, time will tell on that one. Kit
____________________ The 1800 is my bike. The very best motorcycle ever made. I was enthralled with my first test ride on this machine. It is a great bike. A crotch rocket with storage bags.............As for oil I use the slick kind, and I like round tires, but as of late I have found square ones work best on the rear. Pirelli Eufori 195/55/16 @ 32 PSI Kit |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 02:47 am | 20th Post |
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hi i need to buy new tires for my 1800 in april. now am really confused what to buy. i have the factory dunlops 250's on with 17,000 miles. i don't know if i could do better with any other tire. need more input rich
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