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exavid
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 03:43 am | 21st Post |
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Part of the increased cost of diesel is the requirement for all diesel in the US to be low sulphur. Costs more to reduce the sulphur, not all crude is 'sweet' oil so the refining costs go up. The low sulphur diesel also develops a bit less power and mileage than the older type fuel, it's also somewhat harmful to older diesel engines because the lubricity of the oil is quite a bit less. So you can expect cheap little things (NOT) like your injector pump to fail sooner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-low_sulfur_diesel
BTW it isn't Wall Street either, oil is a world wide commodity so no one market can control the price. Even governments have very little control over the price. They can adjust taxes on the stuff or even subsidise it but really have no real control over price. If you're an oil producer you sell the stuff to whoever will pay the most, same way anyone sells anything. In the US it's been the reluctance of the government to encourage development of off shore and ANWR oil production that's also helping drive up prices.
BTW just read that this past April was a record revenue month for the US government. Nice to know that they aren't having any problem making a buck.
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redbaron
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 08:34 pm | 22nd Post |
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For the first time I have to say that SEE? has actually had some great thoughts....But not only has SEE? brought up some good points everyone has contributed into a subject that is a sore spot for all of us, no matter where you live.
Not too many weeks ago over in I think Saudi a Prince bid one billion dollars for a license plate with the number 1 on it???? Now when these people over there can do this and I'm having problems paying 60 bucks for a license plate for my new trailer, some thing is badly wrong with this picture.....I have seen the pictures of multi billion dollar castles being built over there, when we can't raise enough money here to rebuild the cities hard hit by Hurricanes Rita and Katerina.....Again some thing is wrong with this picture.....
Yeah it supply and demand and it is futures traded that keep oil going up and up, But it is my belief that sooner or later this oil boom in prices is going to burst. And when it does you going to see a depression like the one in 29, Gas will be cheap again but companies that invested in oil are going to fold like a worn out accordin.......
We can blame it all on W but hes not the one who has the last say in this matter, its the House of Representatives that can do something about it now if they weren't all connected one way or another with big oil companies......Like its been said ...Its all politics and until we the people who are being robbed, raped, and pillaged by our respective governments say "enougnh is enough" it wont stop....
What is it going to take?????? To watch your family go hungry because food prices have went so out of sight you can't afford them, because you cant get to work, because gas is so high???? Or the company you have worked at for over 20 years close its doors because it can no long make a profit on goods because of the weak dollar??
One last note.....I just went on SS a few months back....GREAT ??? wrong if you look at this way......I still have a home I'm paying for, All my vehicles are paid for so that leaves me with just utilities and food......OK??? My house note is about $1400.00 a month, food isn't that much because there's just the two of us, utilities run about $600.00 a month, lights, gas, water, phones, internet ......If we had to depend on my SS to get us through a month right now......I would be about $1000.00 in the hole....At this point an card board box would be all that I could afford and eat...much less pay $4 to $5 dollars a gallon for gas......I do have this "rent a cop" job that helps but would not be enough to live where we live ....My wife works and she does make quite a nice salary, but heaven help us if she losses it........
OK my rant is over I'll retire my soap box too.....
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Ivanawphalytch
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 12:23 am | 23rd Post |
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In 1975, Edwin S. Gray developed an electromagnetic motor. One prototype produced 80 or 100 HP. He ran it for 31 days nonstop. At the end of that time, the batteries were fully charged. The L.A. prosecuter came in one morning and confiscated all four prototypes and all papers. Finally, eight months later, he was charged with minor zoning citations. Never returned his prototypes or papers. He moved to another state to continue developing his motors. Died in his shop of a mysterious accident.
People do not need internal combustion engines. There are other forces to power our lives in this universe that are being withheld from us.
Henry Moray in the early '30s developed a unit that drew energy from the ether to power electrical appliances. His government provided assistant took an ax to the unit.
Nicola Tesla took a Pierce Arrow, removed the engine, installed an electric motor of his own design. and powered it with an antenna wire on top of the car. He was ridiculed into oblivion.
These men and their inventions were taken from us by power hungry, greedy people.
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exavid
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 01:57 am | 24th Post |
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Ivanawphalytch wrote: In 1975, Edwin S. Gray developed an electromagnetic motor. One prototype produced 80 or 100 HP. He ran it for 31 days nonstop. At the end of that time, the batteries were fully charged. The L.A. prosecuter came in one morning and confiscated all four prototypes and all papers. Finally, eight months later, he was charged with minor zoning citations. Never returned his prototypes or papers. He moved to another state to continue developing his motors. Died in his shop of a mysterious accident.
People do not need internal combustion engines. There are other forces to power our lives in this universe that are being withheld from us.
Henry Moray in the early '30s developed a unit that drew energy from the ether to power electrical appliances. His government provided assistant took an ax to the unit.
Nicola Tesla took a Pierce Arrow, removed the engine, installed an electric motor of his own design. and powered it with an antenna wire on top of the car. He was ridiculed into oblivion.
These men and their inventions were taken from us by power hungry, greedy people.
Why stop there, don't let mere physics be an impediment, here's a whole bunch more of the wonderful world of free power. I wonder why we are all such fools to obey laws of nature when you can do stuff like this.
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/oulist.htm
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 03:27 am | 25th Post |
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In 1962 I was home on leave, needing a little spare change, I went to work for the Gulf station around the corner from my parents home.....One Saturday morning this guy came in trying to sell me some oil additive he had invented, said this oil of his would replace the oil that people used and the way we used oil....Heres how it worked, we drained the oil out of my 56 Ford, pulled the filter, added a new filter then ran 2 quarts of 20wt oil and 3 quarts of Kerosene we did this 3 times, to flush out my engine....
Now it gets weird.....We put on another new oil filter and one quart of his "miracle oil", Then added 4 quarts of tap water....He gave me a unsigned cashiers check for $1000.00 along with his guarantee that if in the next 45 days if my engine went boom, he would replace it...All I had to do was keep the "oil" checked every day..and add tap water if it needed it...
About a month later and my car is still running great....I get this letter from my mother from this guy saying that I could change my oil back to regular oil and a check to cover the cost, and would I please mail back his cashiers check.....I found out about a year later that he had sold his patent to Exxon.....Think they gonna let something like this on the open market????? Not a snow balls chance in hell....
The 56 Ford???? I changed the oil and drove it up till about 1965, I traded it for a very very sharp custom 53 chevy two door hardtop.....
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exavid
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 04:14 am | 26th Post |
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| So how does the water stay in the mixture once the temperature gets above 212 degrees? Any fluid that has water in it can be distilled to get the water back out.
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 02:31 pm | 27th Post |
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If President Bush had the power some people seem to assume he has, he would be a dictator, not President of the greatest country in the world.
I would also like to ask the Bush haters a question. How many terrorist attacks have we endured since 9-11? I think President Bush has done a great job of keeping us safe. As for the casualties in the war, we kill 40,000 a year on our highways and no one seems to notice.
As for the price of gas, I think it is greed on the part of everyone involved , from the oil well to the pump.
By the way before someone questions my view, I am a 22 year retired veteran, and I am proud of MY President. He isn't perfect, after all he is just human.
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exavid
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 05:21 pm | 28th Post |
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Well said.
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 06:01 pm | 29th Post |
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| Agree with you there......
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Kit Carson
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 06:29 pm | 30th Post |
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John Davis Jr. wrote: If President Bush had the power some people seem to assume he has, he would be a dictator, not President of the greatest country in the world.
I would also like to ask the Bush haters a question. How many terrorist attacks have we endured since 9-11? I think President Bush has done a great job of keeping us safe. As for the casualties in the war, we kill 40,000 a year on our highways and no one seems to notice.
As for the price of gas, I think it is greed on the part of everyone involved , from the oil well to the pump.
By the way before someone questions my view, I am a 22 year retired veteran, and I am proud of MY President. He isn't perfect, after all he is just human.
I am proud of you for saying this!!Yes it is greed. Just use common sense and stop for gas along the interstates of this country. The prices will be at times 10 to 15 cents a gallon more than at a pump just five miles away. It all comes from the same tanker.....all sold at the same price....but it is a conveinence to purchase close to the main road. So there you go......one example of greed.
I do not like the war.....I do not like to see young men die. I was in Vietnam for 4 years and 10 months and 2 days. I thought a lot of stuff was senseless then......but the thing is if we back down......the whole situation will not go away, and we will simply throw away the ones who have already died for this bad situation???
Most Americans are just how shall I say....spoiled? They have the easy life, a nice home, a new car, plenty to eat and money to spare. None of them will ever take responsibility for their own actions, none of them will ever stand on two feet and take a stand. That might be a little dangerous.........or cause them some hardship.....and the general feeling is let someone else have the hardship........
Well I better shut up.........the axe will have to fall..........you know I worked two jobs when I got out of the military...and in spare moments started my business.......I worked hard.....and even today if I have to go pick up trash, or wash dishes to support my family I will do it......others will simply set and gripe and try to get others to support them........I am very proud of my country, and it basic stand for freedom and all it offers.......I am not real proud of 99 percent of those who live in my great country at the moment. Kit
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 10:02 pm | 31st Post |
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Well said Kit very well said....I too like you spent time in the service of my country and I would have gave my life freely if I knew it was for the good of God and country....I only spent a couple of months in Nam before I was sent home...But for those of who did and serve there and especially those who have served in the Middle East, not only from America, but ALL countries ...I stand and Salute you for you service......
Claude
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logtech
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 12:38 am | 32nd Post |
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After reading through all the posts on the oil subject, one aspect no one mentioned or only partially mentioned, is that India as well as China is soaking up oil at an alarming rate.
Also when was the last refinery built in the states? Who has dept us from building new ones? How many were destroyed during Katrina? Why are we not allowed to drill in our own yard for crude, Anwr, Gulf of Mexico, California, North Dakota? But the nation of Nigeria has applied for drilling rights in the Gulf of Mexico. They can and we can't? Why? Who do you want to blame for that? Please make sure of your sources before blamming the wrong person. I don't think you'll find the truth in the New York Slimes, newpaper or the Washington Compost or some turd-burgler San Francisco rag.
Sorry, venting a little. Lets just pray for better days ahead.
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 12:40 am | 33rd Post |
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Well said all. I do not always agree with any president we have had but I would not want to do that job either.
Thanks to all who have served this great country of ours.
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98Wing-487
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 07:53 am | 34th Post |
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logtech wrote:
Also when was the last refinery built in the states? Who has dept us from building new ones? How many were destroyed during Katrina? Why are we not allowed to drill in our own yard for crude, Anwr, Gulf of Mexico, California, North Dakota? But the nation of Nigeria has applied for drilling rights in the Gulf of Mexico. They can and we can't? Why? Who do you want to blame for that? Please make sure of your sources before blamming the wrong person.
Drilling production in the US right now is around 1800 rigs. In the late '70's - early '80's, it was at an all time high of almost 5000 rigs.
Source: http://investor.shareholder.com/bhi/rig_counts/rc_index.cfm
The US Dept of Interior holds most of the mineral/oil leases available for domestic oil production. There is ALOT of oil available in the lower 48, but nobody wants an oil rig in their back yard.
My "crystal ball" opinions are just personal experience, speculation and observations. The gas/oil situation is going to get worse before it gets better.
BTW, I criticized and made fun of Bill Clinton too. Who didn't?
I didn't mean any offense to any one or anybody. Just an opinion...thats all.
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 04:36 pm | 35th Post |
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Good Post. It is time that we realize the job that 'W' has done in protecting our great country. He has made some mistakes, as have all our presidents, but he has done a great job in a very difficult position to stand up to those who would tear us down and keep us safe since 911. Who would have thought that we would not have suffered many additional attacks after 911? Hard to argue with 100%!
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 05:38 pm | 36th Post |
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English Bob wrote: SEE? old chap, you're starting to make sense, isn't it time for your meds or something?
Ive been away on holiday for 3 weeks and what SEE? is now making sense. What has happened????????
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