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DigbyODell
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 01:19 am | 1st Post |
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Hillary and Obama were in a boat going down the river.
The river was extremely rough.
The boat capsized.
Who was saved?
AMERICA
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D-Rod
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 01:52 am | 2nd Post |
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Ain't that the truth! 
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Dancinbear
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 02:12 am | 3rd Post |
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That may be partially true........ but there isn't a soul out there that can save us from the crap the head clown has done these last 7 1/2 yrs ............ no one.
Thats all I have to say about that.
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SEE?
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:05 am | 4th Post |
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all I know, is that by next spring oil will possibly be 200 a barrel, and gas 8-10 bucks a gallon.
at this point, for PRACTICAL PURPOSES.....thats all that matters...........life altering
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DigbyODell
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 09:08 pm | 5th Post |
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Dancinbear wrote: That may be partially true........ but there isn't a soul out there that can save us from the crap the head clown has done these last 7 1/2 yrs............ no one.
Thats all I have to say about that.
Not to mention the all powerful congress  Worse rating than the pres...or dont that matter 
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 09:48 pm | 6th Post |
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Dancinbear wrote: That may be partially true........ but there isn't a soul out there that can save us from the crap the head clown has done these last 7 1/2 yrs............ no one.
Thats all I have to say about that.
When I was in the big skoolin house and the W was on his first term we where told it would take 25 years to undo what had been done. (stuff not talked about)
The next 2 that sit in the big White house will have little to no impact on what the W did.
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Ivanawphalytch
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 10:46 pm | 7th Post |
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See, etc............oil is so expensive right now because China is using so much, creating a shortage every else.
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SEE?
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 01:09 am | 8th Post |
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Ivanawphalytch wrote: See, etc............oil is so expensive right now because China is using so much, creating a shortage every else.
Ivan
Thats not correct. Their demand has actually gone down a bit. The problem with oil,(which will approach 200 dollars next spring) is the speculators (a media term meaning manipulators) actually controlling the price of oil. The problem is wall street.
it is well known that there is no reason for oil to be over 60 bucks a barrel. It is investors solely responsible, not shortages ( we have actually put about 12,000,000 barrels in storage in the last sveral weeks) not demand, not refinery capacity, or anything else. It is greed pure and simple. A few thousand people, are controlling the oil prices which inturn basically affects the whole U.S. economy.
Make no mistake....something could be done......but.............its pure politics
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DigbyODell
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 02:19 am | 9th Post |
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SEE? wrote: Ivanawphalytch wrote: See, etc............oil is so expensive right now because China is using so much, creating a shortage every else.
Ivan
Thats not correct. Their demand has actually gone down a bit. The problem with oil,(which will approach 200 dollars next spring) is the speculators (a media term meaning manipulators) actually controlling the price of oil. The problem is wall street.
it is well known that there is no reason for oil to be over 60 bucks a barrel. It is investors solely responsible, not shortages ( we have actually put about 12,000,000 barrels in storage in the last sveral weeks) not demand, not refinery capacity, or anything else. It is greed pure and simple. A few thousand people, are controlling the oil prices which inturn basically affects the whole U.S. economy.
Make no mistake....something could be done......but.............its pure politics
DO NOT POINT OUT FACTS!!! IT IS FAR TO EASY TO BLAME BUSH 
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SB in SC
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 03:18 am | 10th Post |
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Yes, it is strange why diesel is $0.80 more a gallon than gas when its cheaper to make.
The scenerios are all pretty bleak, but I have a feeling that the high fuel cost is at the point to start affecting folks driving habits and that will reduce demand. Folks aren't going to travel a lot this summer b/c of it. That, in turn, will force the oil companies to drop the prices. Now don't get me wrong, its not going back to $1 a gallon, but I bet we see $2.50 within a few months. These "scare tactics", like the "gas will be $10 next year" is what pisses me off. The bottom line is people will drive as much as they can afford and then they'll sit at the house. Plain and simple.
And for all of those folks that think Bush sits up in the White House rubbing his hands together and laughing as the price of oil rises, you're nuts! I think the man's probably rich enough and would probably do what he could to control the rising cost. The media likes to say that everyone hates Bush and point out what a lousy job he's done. I think he just happened to be the guy in office when all this crap hit. Is he the greatest president ever? Not by a long shot, but I feel that you should support your leaders, not turn on them. I don't think you can lay any of this crap on one person. Its just a bad situation.
Do oil companies manipulate the system to keep prices high, you bet your sweet bippy they do. You know what we can do about it? Ride your wing to work, park that V10 Ford Excursion, buy a 1.0L 3 cyl '93 Metro(53 mpg) for your cage needs, carpool with your neighbors, shut the hell up, and quit ruining my life!
Trust me. Ease up on the demand and the price will drop. Plain and simple.
 I'll now jump down off this soap box!
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SEE?
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 04:08 am | 11th Post |
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1975.......idiots came up with the catalytic converter, requiring unleaded gas in all new cars. Unleaded gas promptly became 10-15 cents more than Regular Leaded gas.
Lead was an additive put into gas to lubricate. When it was deleted the gas should have been cheaper............another scam.
We used to call unleaded "white or drip gas". Wouldn't use it unless you could get some free.
Now they have low sulpher diesel. In the process of removing the sulpher, it lost some lubricity, but skyrocketed in price......primarily because there are many many many more diesels on the road these days. Make no mistake....its not a supply and demand thing.................its a stick it in your ass cause we have it and you have to have it thing....................or...............profiteering
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English Bob
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 04:28 am | 12th Post |
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| SEE? old chap, you're starting to make sense, isn't it time for your meds or something?
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:57 am | 13th Post |
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For what it's worth,(not alot mind you..), I told my wife 2 years ago that before Bush is out of office, gas will be $4 a gallon. And no matter who is in the White House come November, oil would be well over $100 a barrel.
One thing I will give Bush credit for is keeping the price of oil down for as long as it has. Do I think he has influence with the oil companies....absolutely! Oil people stick together...especially when it comes to money.
My crystal ball says gas will go up over $4 a gallon this summer and "settle" around the $4 mark in the fall. We'll never see gas below $3 a gallon again. I hope I'm wrong.
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DougW
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 11:34 pm | 14th Post |
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| I read once that the price of diesel fuel was high because the oil comapnies can sell it for that much to the european market where they use more diesel than the USA. I don't know if it is true, I read it or heard it somewhere but I don't remember where.
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DigbyODell
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 12:00 am | 15th Post |
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People need to stop blaming Bush... Blame these soccer moms driving these big gas guzzling SUV's as grocery getters... I see it all the time around here.. A pretty young girl driving a big Escalade/Suburban ALONE  Than bitching about gas prices
If I was selling apples and I knew everyone had to have them I would keep raising my prises until people stoped buying.. As long as people are buying/bitching who friggen cares.. They are buying 
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SEE?
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 12:45 am | 16th Post |
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DigbyODell wrote:
People need to stop blaming Bush... Blame these soccer moms driving these big gas guzzling SUV's as grocery getters... I see it all the time around here.. A pretty young girl driving a big Escalade/Suburban ALONE Than bitching about gas prices
If I was selling apples and I knew everyone had to have them I would keep raising my prises until people stoped buying.. As long as people are buying/bitching who friggen cares.. They are buying
sounds good in theory......but make no mistake....this IS NOT a matter of supply and demand......it is market (futures) manipulation for extreme profit. There will be a point where the demand will drop enough that it levels out, and cant really go lower, but that will have no effect on price as it stands right now.......there will always be X amount used no matter what....and THEY know that. I could actually fathom demand being so low that the price would increase. If you could work half the time and make the same profit...wouldn't you?
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 01:14 am | 17th Post |
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You guys are all pretty much on base. It's a combination of factors.
One thing that nobody has mentioned yet but SEE? touched on by mentioning speculators, is a lot of US dollars are being pumped into hedge funds by Arabs with pockets full of greenbacks. It's to their benefit to keep driving up the cost of a barrel of oil. That's what futures markets are, it's 'marked to market,' meaning that as long as a futures contract has increased from the prior day's close, that futures owner is golden. If not, then he has to ante up into his account. That's 'marked to market.' So they invest in hedge funds holding oil futures, and they keep throwing more money in, and the cost of a barrel keeps increasing. It's much different than the stock market where you just own a stock and can ride it out. No, with the futures market, you're agreeing to buy a contract of a certain good at a determined date, and the price will fluctuate from the date you agreed to purchase (or sold) until the end of that contract's date. That's how oil is traded. It's like all commodities are traded and the farmers/rural people on this board would know all about that.
Don't get me started on how low the dollar has depreciated in value against foriegn currencies.
Or how about that the US economy and manufacturing base actually NEEDS this? As long as the price of a gallon of gas is high, people will be buying small new cars. And US auto manufacturers can continue to sell. NEW cars being forced down the consumers throat when their 'old' car is still mechanically fine...'Hey you can't afford that gas guzzler, buy a new car!' Maybe that'll spur the economy. What a concept!
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 01:40 am | 18th Post |
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Iraqi Ram that part about the new car thing is right on. A lot of people will buy a new car with a payment of 200 a month or more along with higher insurance costs and only get 5 miles or less per gallon more than the old car. I have a 1995 cevy lumina that is paid for and it has just over a 100,000 miles on it but I get 30 to 32 miles per gallon in it and it still looks new and runs new. I can buy a lot of gas for the payment of a new car. I would have to get twice the mileage as now I only pay 160.00 a month for gas for it.
My wife was working for a biodiesel plant anf they had to shut down as the price of soy oil was to high for them to make a profit. Again the commodity traders had a hand in that. They were making a product at a higher cost than they could sell it for.
I agree greed has a lot to do with it. Not just with gas or oil but a lot of things in life anymore.
We went through this when Carter was in office also and we will get throught it again. This is not a democrat or republican thing as they both care about the almighty dollar only.
I will step down now just had to vent. Thanks for the chance.
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 01:48 am | 19th Post |
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98Wing-487 wrote: For what it's worth,(not alot mind you..), I told my wife 2 years ago that before Bush is out of office, gas will be $4 a gallon. And no matter who is in the White House come November, oil would be well over $100 a barrel.
One thing I will give Bush credit for is keeping the price of oil down for as long as it has. Do I think he has influence with the oil companies....absolutely! Oil people stick together...especially when it comes to money.
My crystal ball says gas will go up over $4 a gallon this summer and "settle" around the $4 mark in the fall. We'll never see gas below $3 a gallon again. I hope I'm wrong.
I pulled my backhoe up to the pumps today and Diesel fuel was $4.29. Kit
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SB in SC
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 02:21 am | 20th Post |
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Its $4.59 here in Savannah, Ga.
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