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Kikker
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 02:38 am | 1st Post |
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I would like to see Honda develop a throttle by wire like a lot of the newer cars and trucks have. It a very dependable system with no mechanical cables to stick or break.
Honda is good to be the first to add new features that other motorcycles don't have and this would be another feather in their hat I think.
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wolfmann
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 02:13 am | 2nd Post |
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| dont sell your self short though! i drive a semi at work and they are all like that, true that they are reliable. the only bad thing is that there is a very touchy sensor that is on the fuel pedal (or grip in this case), and the sensors are very expensive. the only difference betewwn the drive by wire and the link system that most cars and the gl's have is that the sensor that i am refering to (throttle posistion Sensor (TPS)) is on the engine on the itkae manifold instead of the grip and also if they were to go to that, wich im sure they will eventually, you have to put some sort of damper system to control the air as well. thats just my personal opinion, and i also know where you are coming from but i think that i would rather have the system they have now. just wish that mine was fuel injected then it wouldnt be such a pain to start after sitting for a while!
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 02:17 am | 3rd Post |
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i have 9 trucks that are drive by wire, the biggest problem with them besides the replacement cost is the rheostat is a winding and with wear you get nil contact spots, so you can imagine where that will take you in built up traffic......just my 2 cents and experiences....
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Kikker
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Posted: Thu Apr 19th, 2007 02:20 am | 4th Post |
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The throttle by wire on my '04 Ford F150 has a small motor on the throttle body that controls the air instead of a mechanical cable. The throttle positioning sensor is on the opposite side of the throttle body.
I don't doubt the technology is available but I believe it will probably be a while before we see it on a Gold Wing.
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AZgl1500
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Posted: Fri Apr 20th, 2007 03:29 pm | 5th Post |
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I don't think it will ever be as good as a plain old throttle cable.
Too much lag in the response software. Engineers who think they know what you need, versus you needing to twist the wick "right now".
I have a Dodge truck with a Cummins engine. Those TPS things are a big source of problems, and very expensive. I just paid $175.00 at the wholesale price to replace mine. Retail is almost $300 which is what you would get clipped with if you had the dealer change it out.
Rheostats on throttles is a bad idea.
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Rudy
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Posted: Fri Apr 20th, 2007 04:43 pm | 6th Post |
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Complexity does not travel well with reliability.
We have reached the point where we would be better off using technology where we need it, not just because we can.
And of course these devices would be much cheaper for a Honda Goldwing wouldn't they?
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Posted: Sat Apr 21st, 2007 12:56 am | 7th Post |
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| Sorry the Yamaha 2006 R6 already had it first =)
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Kikker
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Posted: Sat Apr 21st, 2007 01:40 am | 8th Post |
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The throttle by wire is much more responsive than any cable control system I've had any experience with.
erxkeel,
I'm impressed that some manufacturer has already got onto the band wagon. I bet it works very well and smooth.
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Tattoo Taffy
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Posted: Sat Apr 21st, 2007 01:45 am | 9th Post |
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Kikker wrote: The throttle by wire is much more responsive than any cable control system I've had any experience with.
erxkeel,
I'm impressed that some manufacturer has already got onto the band wagon. I bet it works very well and smooth. hey kikker, read the reviews matee, not what you would think from what i have read....
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exavid
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Posted: Tue Apr 24th, 2007 06:37 am | 10th Post |
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| The electronic throttle control makes sense when it's difficult to have a direct mechanical system. On motorcoaches the throttle cables are over 45' long. Electronic control makes sense, less pressure on the threadle to work it and no problem routing the cables. They do lose a bit in sensitivity and finesse. On a bike with such short distances from handlebar to engine it doesn't seem worthwhile to me for the extra complication.
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GSMacLean
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Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 06:07 pm | 11th Post |
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| My 2003 Accord Coupe (6 speed manual V6, if it makes any difference) had a drive-by-wire throttle, and it was razor-sharp. Could not tell any difference between it and a throttle cable, except the pedal was extremely smooth.
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Posted: Sat May 12th, 2007 03:24 pm | 12th Post |
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exavid wrote: The electronic throttle control makes sense when it's difficult to have a direct mechanical system. On motorcoaches the throttle cables are over 45' long. Electronic control makes sense, less pressure on the threadle to work it and no problem routing the cables. They do lose a bit in sensitivity and finesse. On a bike with such short distances from handlebar to engine it doesn't seem worthwhile to me for the extra complication.
Good Point!
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Kikker
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Posted: Wed May 16th, 2007 01:04 am | 13th Post |
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Rudy wrote: Complexity does not travel well with reliability.
We have reached the point where we would be better off using technology where we need it, not just because we can.
And of course these devices would be much cheaper for a Honda Goldwing wouldn't they?
You mean like cruise control, heated seats, GPS navigation, etc; etc?
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Greywolf
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Posted: Tue Jun 19th, 2007 01:11 pm | 14th Post |
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I agree with Rudy, I work all day long on these Hi tech wonder car electronics and I for one can do with the simple cables. I want to ride my wing not work for hours tracking down a bad connection in the hundereds of feet of wires and connectors. The newer wings are bad enough much less add more complication. Just my opinion 
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Posted: Tue Jun 19th, 2007 02:00 pm | 15th Post |
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| Gets back into some of the old days, where I'm sure there was the same debate going on with fuel injection. Questions of it being more or less reliable then carbs and so forth. I would say on the hole the throttle by wire would be more reliable.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19th, 2007 09:33 pm | 16th Post |
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TBW is a great idea when it works well. You get instant no-lag (or programmed lag) response and a light but positive feel. It's not all rosy though. I've had to replace pickup sensors and foot transmitters in more than a few cars, Renault and Fiat usually and there's a lot to be said for good old-fashioned simplicity that you get with cables. On motorcycles you would have the additional issues of waterproofing the components, especially at the handlebar end. But if anyone can do this, I'm sure Honda can.
Don't forget that once the elecronic parts go into mass production, they probably would be cheaper to make than the traditional throttle cables and pulleys.
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Scout Guy
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 04:31 pm | 17th Post |
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Call me a Luddite but I'm not a big fan of electronic systems in vehicles.
My BMW 535i ran out of electrons one day while I was sitting in a drive thru at a bank. I had shut the engine off and it didn't start again. Cost $600 for a new computer plus the cost of the tow.
Those things break at the worst time and there is not usually a work around to get you home.
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Kikker
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Posted: Thu Jul 19th, 2007 12:14 am | 18th Post |
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| Unfortunately, like it or not, electronic is the sign of the future and actually more economical to produce.
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Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 10:55 pm | 19th Post |
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| The 08 Harley Road King & Electra Glides have throddle by wire.
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