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| Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 12:58 am | 41st Post |
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Thank-you for straightening me out on that electrical factoid Kit. I admit to being a little rough in my understanding of the terminology. I wasn't so much finding fault with the 1800's system as I was expressing my general disenchantment with the option packages that I understand to be currently available. However I'm sure Honda believes they know their clientele best. I didn't recall an electric stand on the GT I rode but the seat seemed just fine to me [it was HEATED]. I haven't ridden an 1800 because it is simply NOT the next bike I want. I feel it is too large in girth, weight and displacement. I desire a SPORT Tourer. You're comment about the power stand makes me believe you may have ridden a BMW K1200 LT ; and that would also support your follow-up observation about the power/response between the two riding experiences. Last edited on Tue Dec 16th, 2008 01:01 am by bikeknight52 ____________________ Steve the Gorge Guy "Cuz he's a mean motah scootah & a bad go getah . . .Alley OoP, oop,oop-OOp . . . Look at that Caveman go-o-o-o;. . . Ride daddy Ride" - song verse - Alley OOP-Hollywood Argyles/1960 |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 01:12 am | 42nd Post |
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I gotta do a rant. It's beyond comprehension that Honda has such a lousy, system of support for the Goldwing. The fact that most Honda dealers will not work on 'Wings over ten years old is beyond reason. Honda sells a lot of cars that cost less than a Goldwing and certainly will service their cars beyond ten years. You can expect a car taken to a Honda dealer will be treated well and their vehicles repaired in a reasonable manner, not turned away because they have passed an arbitrary age limit. If the Goldwing motorcycle wasn't such an excellent machine it would have faded from the scene years ago because of Honda's lack of service. Harley Davidson and BMW are far superior in service and support of the motorcycles. If either one of them build a tourer that was a near equal to the Goldwing I would buy one of theirs and recommend to all and sundry to do the same. It's ridiculous that people have to find independent shops or teach themselves to repair and adjust their machines. Honda' automotive division is a star but their motorcycle division sucks. It's a shame people have to ride their products in spite of the company. It's just as well that Honda motorcycles are returning to Japan, I think I'll look more closely at BMW if I replace my Goldwing.
____________________ If you can't ride, fly or sail it, why bother? 2001 Goldwing 1800 Paul W. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 01:35 am | 43rd Post |
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bikeknight52 wrote: Thank-you for straightening me out on that electrical factoid Kit. I admit to being a little rough in my understanding of the terminology.Go check the ST1300 out. Between the two of them, they are a lot alike, the Honda is 10,000 dollars cheaper, and does not have lots of things the BMW has, but a lot less money also. Neat bike the 1300 is. Kit
____________________ The 1800 is my bike. The very best motorcycle ever made. I was enthralled with my first test ride on this machine. It is a great bike. A crotch rocket with storage bags.............As for oil I use the slick kind, and I like round tires, but as of late I have found square ones work best on the rear. Pirelli Eufori 195/55/16 @ 32 PSI Kit |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 01:49 am | 44th Post |
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I hope we are not getting too far away from the subject, I just say what is on my mind wherever I find it. I hope to one day open a small dealership and repair shop. I would not work on any bike over ten years old either. It has nothing to do with the product or the availability of parts, or anything like that. It has to do with the general customer. Cars are a requirement in every persons daily lives, a necessity if you will, if you repair their car, you can pretty much always figure they will come back and get it, well most of the time. Not so with motorcycles, bikes are toys, for most people. Not a necessity. I deal with people daily already and I already know 99 percent of them are not trustworthy, 98 percent of them want something for free,97 percent of them will cheat you, and 100 percent of them are not to be trusted. So if someone was to bring a ten year old bike in to be repaired and the repair bill is $1000 to $1500 dollars which is not real out of line this day in age, then the bike is not worth the repair bill. So you are stuck with the bike if they do not come back and pay for it and claim it, then you have to spend 60 days through the court system, and finally you can sell it and break even. (maybe?) That is why most shops avoid older bikes. That is why I would avoid them, it is all about the shop maintaining cash flow , paying the employee and avoiding hassles. Kit
____________________ The 1800 is my bike. The very best motorcycle ever made. I was enthralled with my first test ride on this machine. It is a great bike. A crotch rocket with storage bags.............As for oil I use the slick kind, and I like round tires, but as of late I have found square ones work best on the rear. Pirelli Eufori 195/55/16 @ 32 PSI Kit |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 03:07 am | 45th Post |
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I liked SC's mono cycle, so here's a uno cycle. Simple enough, it goes where you lean, the more you lean the faster it goes. Has one on/off switch, electric motors, may do 40 mph if they get the prototype to do as planned, so far has been up to 15 mph. http://www.the-uno-tomorrows-transportation.com/ Attachment: Uno Tomorrow Transportation.jpg (Downloaded 264 times)
____________________ Patriot Guard Rider Titanium Wing: 2006 GL1800 Airbag "You might ride fast, but never ride in a hurry." |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 08:16 am | 46th Post |
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rcmatt007 wrote: Silverfox wrote:On average all the Goldwings ever issued return somewhere in the region of 40 mpg, so the change to a 1200 engine would require work to make it return way higher mileage per gallon to make it worthwhile in respect of fuel prices. Just my 2 cents as far as fuel mileage on the 1200. I've not owned the carbed version so I don't know what mileage they get but I do know what the fuel injected version gets! In the hills/twisties around here I get 42-44mpg running single or 2-up. The best I've had is 50.1mpg on the interstate with the cruise set @ 65mph. My 2 cents on performance: To me, the on-ramp to the interstate is a leagle 1/4 mile!! At the top of the ramp I'm ready to merge with traffic cuz I'm at the speed limit or a touch faster. And that's only 3 gears!! What more is needed??  Touching on what Exavvid said concerning service/parts,,,, I agree! Honda's dealers really are not worth messing with for the most part because of the 10 year rule or lack of knowledge concerning their product. OK. I'll go back in my corner now!! 
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 03:49 pm | 47th Post |
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roscoepc wrote:
Well, If I have to explain, you wouldn't underst....... Wait, That's what a Harley guy would say and I ain't no Harley guy. Seriously, it takes you 1/4 of a mile to get up to the speed limit ? Man, I can get to there by the end of my driveway. I understand that speed is relative and going fast means different things to different people. To me, the word "motorcycle" means performance. I want a bike that can thrill me by just turning the throttle a little bit. What I don't get is buying a bike bigger than a liter and then lugging the thing around like it was grandma's Buick. The only thing I can figure is that there are a lot of fat goldwingers (I'm sorry, heavy set) and it takes a lot of torque to get 2 large riders and all their crap up to speed. I guess as the population continues to get fatter, maybe they will have to up the CC's to 2000.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 05:14 pm | 48th Post |
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TitaniumWing wrote: I liked SC's mono cycle, so here's a uno cycle. Simple enough, it goes where you lean, the more you lean the faster it goes. Has one on/off switch, electric motors, may do 40 mph if they get the prototype to do as planned, so far has been up to 15 mph. I'd like to see a panic stop on one of those things. 
____________________ If you can't ride, fly or sail it, why bother? 2001 Goldwing 1800 Paul W. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 06:02 pm | 49th Post |
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exavid wrote: TitaniumWing wrote:I liked SC's mono cycle, so here's a uno cycle. Simple enough, it goes where you lean, the more you lean the faster it goes. Has one on/off switch, electric motors, may do 40 mph if they get the prototype to do as planned, so far has been up to 15 mph. I think the way you panic stop them is to hit whatever panic'ed you.  I'm still amazed that Segways and this thing can balance (if you look at their site, it has dual wheels - so that helps).Any new technology like this has the potential for eventually being applied to bikes - if mayby only some type of stablization or handling improvements, who knows? Last edited on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 01:16 am by TitaniumWing ____________________ Patriot Guard Rider Titanium Wing: 2006 GL1800 Airbag "You might ride fast, but never ride in a hurry." |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 06:20 pm | 50th Post |
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roscoepc wrote: rcmatt007 wrote:Silverfox wrote:On average all the Goldwings ever issued return somewhere in the region of 40 mpg, so the change to a 1200 engine would require work to make it return way higher mileage per gallon to make it worthwhile in respect of fuel prices. Taking it easy in the twisties on my 1800, one up, in Colorado (6,000 to 10,500 feet) I hit 50.1 mpg, but at little higher speeds in the mountains the next day I got 46 mpg and got 265 miles out of a tank. On the freeway, one up, traveling at a very good clip where it was posted 75 (so might have been a little bit over that) I averaged 41 mpg. At home, ridding 8 miles to work, with seven stoplight/stopsigns, and mostly freeway, I get about 34 mpg because there are two many opportunites (seven) to twisty my wristy. That's good enough gas mileage for me and cc's are like firepower, you can never have too much.
____________________ Patriot Guard Rider Titanium Wing: 2006 GL1800 Airbag "You might ride fast, but never ride in a hurry." |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 06:20 pm | 51st Post |
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norton wrote: "Seriously, it takes you 1/4 of a mile to get up to the speed limit ? Man, I can get to there by the end of my driveway. " No Norton, It doesn't take a1/4 mile for me to get up to the speed limit. What I was trying to say is the power is there if needed. The 1200 is no speed demon, not with me on it anyway, but it ain't no slouch either! And as far as explaining it to me....... Save it for the Harley guys. I own a Goldwing. Last edited on Tue Dec 16th, 2008 06:22 pm by roscoepc ____________________ Don |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 06:32 am | 52nd Post |
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Too much horsepower is like too much money, I like lots of both, wish I had more.
____________________ If you can't ride, fly or sail it, why bother? 2001 Goldwing 1800 Paul W. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18th, 2008 11:04 pm | 53rd Post |
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The only thing i dont like about my 1200 is it's size i'm 6'4" with a 38" inseam 240lbs and i feel alittle bunched up. The 1800 is more my size as far as more ponys the 1200 is big enough now if i could strech it out a bit it would be perfect. As far as being to tecnical or complicated the first thing i do when i by any new peice of equipment is buy a shop manual for it. This way when i need to work on it i look it up and if it looks to tough i take it to the shop. Now i am a mechenic (prbably not what youd consider a good one)i grew up working on anything from heavy machinry to a honda 3500 generators the only school's i have been too are the one's the army sent me too. Now having said all that i'm also lazy i still send my my stuff to a shop more than i do it myself.
____________________ Art Past Bikes Home made kawahodzuki Bridgstone ?? converted to dirt 79 honda 350 79 honda SS 80 Honda SS 85 GL 1200 |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 19th, 2008 02:34 am | 54th Post |
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I think they need an auto-pilot so I can take a nap when my wife does. I can't compare anything to the 1200 or 1500 because I went right into a 1800. It's a joy to work on mine, the books are very clear, haven't ran into anything I couldn't do as long as I take my time (when I do I'll take it to the dealer). Just me, a cold one, maybe a friend or two will drop by when the garage lights are on, that's what it's about anyway. Don't overcomplicate it, it's your means of escape.
____________________ "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission" 2006 GL1800 (White) 2007 VTX 1300C (Black) 2000 Harley Sportster 883(Purple) Wife's Bike "So you want a Harley" and growing |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28th, 2008 05:34 am | 55th Post |
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Well said
____________________ Wild Turkey |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12th, 2009 02:56 pm | 56th Post |
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ST1300
____________________ 2007 Silver GL1800 1999 Gl1500(sold for 1800) 1977 GL1000(total broked) Luxembourg, Lux. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13th, 2009 05:21 am | 57th Post |
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Krej Ahctog wrote: ST1300 With no chrome, right? 
____________________ Mike Kramer "Learn from the past, set vivid, detailed goals for the future, and live in the only moment of time over which you have any control: Now." Denis Waitley |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13th, 2009 10:51 pm | 58th Post |
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Look, I respect the loyalty to the Honda motorcycle line. I've been seriously impressed with how tough my ol' '83 has been for me and it's previous owners. This bike is a tank and I'm seriously impressed with it's longevity. However with the state of automobile technology advancements in safety and comfort [of which HONDA has been a major leader in] I don't understand why so little of that has transferred to the motorcycle division. Leave aside the '08 Airbag option for a moment and consider this scenario. Early morning commute and/or trip departure; how many of you have your windshield and/or mirrors fog up within the first few miles? Is it unreasonable to have such an issue addressed? How about being blinded by your mirrors when you turn away from the sun in the same scenario or at night by some car that is in trail behind you? NO manufacturer is addressing this that I know of. I submit this product suggestion as an idea whose merit should be relatively apparent. This is a safety and comfort issue; the technology is present, available and in Honda AUTOMOBILES. Now I honestly don't know what those of you with late model 1800's have and/or may be able to retrofit to your rides; I've only got the answers to casual inquiries and observations. I'm NOT LOCKED IN to my opinions, I'm simply comfortable with my assessments based on the facts I've come across to this point. And speaking of assessments, RIDER Magazine completedly supports the evaluation of the ST1300 as the best choice in Sport Tourer rides. Their position was based in cost to value while comparing the Yamaha FJ 1300, Kawasaki C 14 and the BMW K1300GT. Nevertheless, unlike RIDER, my personal experience with the Beemer left me impressed. I want Cruise Control and ABS on my next ride and they're BOTH there on the K13GT. I like having the ability to adjust the suspension or windshield position on-the-fly. Rider comfort issues are thought thru to the degree that not only are there heated grips and seat but power points are capable of handling a heated riding suit that BMW offers as an option. I've ridden an '95 ST 1100 and it was a nice bike. I've looked over the '07 -'08 ST 1300, they're slightly improved and heavier but realistically little has changed. BMW continues to not only improve engine technology but strives to improve on the front end suspension technology of motorcycles. This speaks volumes to me as an enthusiast. I am a long way away from affording this, it's a dream right now. But K13GT's are showing up in the used bike market and they aren't commanding the prices a new bike does. So when I converse with people that are [or have] purchased bikes in the $15-20K category I have to compare what they've acquired to this bike. In my humble view, as a complete ready-to-go package, the K13GT is a tough act to match. Especially when you add in the dealer support.
____________________ Steve the Gorge Guy "Cuz he's a mean motah scootah & a bad go getah . . .Alley OoP, oop,oop-OOp . . . Look at that Caveman go-o-o-o;. . . Ride daddy Ride" - song verse - Alley OOP-Hollywood Argyles/1960 |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14th, 2009 02:06 pm | 59th Post |
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why do you americans chrome everything
____________________ 2007 Silver GL1800 1999 Gl1500(sold for 1800) 1977 GL1000(total broked) Luxembourg, Lux. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14th, 2009 02:06 pm | 60th Post |
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why do you americans chrome everything
____________________ 2007 Silver GL1800 1999 Gl1500(sold for 1800) 1977 GL1000(total broked) Luxembourg, Lux. |
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