| Rostra Global Universal Electronic Cruise in GL1100i | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 05:12 pm | 41st Post |
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I think you've got it dialed in well Dan, it's hard to know what each of us does when playing around with stuff like this, it would be so much easier if we could get together with a beverage of choice and discuss it, the keyboard leaves out a lot of nuances. On the other hand I probably look a lot more foolish in person.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 07:51 pm | 42nd Post |
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Hey dan.. hope it wasn't taken as a criticism.. not meant that way... and if you are happy with your settings, then what else is there.. it works!! You have basically demonstrated my point.. ie my point (as I tried to explain in the document) is that the ppm, the gain, the setup timer, the linkage are not independent variables (as the instructions would lead you to believe).. changing one changes what is necessary with the others.. for example, setting ppm to 18000 when actual is 9650 changes the gain so that you will have to compensate with the gain or setup timer.. likewise changing the setup timer changes gain.. so you have to compensate with ppm or gain... I am not surprised that you found something different that works... just that knowing that you are using a ppm of 18000 instead of what is actually measured (9650) still suggests to me that there are other possibilities that would work.. not that you need to find them.. As far as comparing the Audiovox to the Rostra, that is apples and oranges.. The Audiovox is an analog device (vacuum) that easily compensates for different length linkages.. infact if you model it mathematically (with pressures flows, etc.), it is easily shown that the length of the linkage is just not important (until you run out of vacuum.).. On the other hand the Rostra is a digital device that moves in programed steps depending on the settings and feedback.. so you need small enough steps (afftected by gain, setup timer, ppm and linkage).. enough steps (affected by ppm and setup timer).. etc. etc.. Anyway, the point is that the Audiovox is basically a plug-n-play device.. the Rostra is not and requires a lot of knob twisting... The Audiovox will always work.. but not always well.. The Rostra will work on anything well.. but requires much trial and error. There is no maximum setpoint from an electrical standpoint (like there is with the 1500).. only that when you run out of power, it will drop out.. I expect on level ground you could set it at 100+ Glad you were successful... I get lots of PM and emails behind the scenes helping with successful installs on many other cruisers and even at least one sport bike.. Some are redo's going back to Rostra after a failure led them to give up and get an Audiovox.. My suggestion has always been to go with the Audiovox unless you are willing to do the trial and error.. which you did.. and very well!!! Glad you shared it.. SDB/Jim Last edited on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 03:08 pm by sandiegobrass ____________________ Please consider helping Rudy at the link... LINK TO HELP RUDY --------------- Have a Gold Wing? Please take the AGE POLL HERE ! --------------- If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong? --------------- SDB/Jim 2000 GL1500SE in CA 1983 GL1100I in SC --------------- But formerly San Diego and now "temporarily" Aiken, SC |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22nd, 2010 02:54 pm | 43rd Post |
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Of course now that the Audiovox CCS-100 is no longer produced, you only have the electronic version available.. and it is available under two badges..Both Audiovox and Rostra.. different part numbers but apparently the same electronic unit..
____________________ Please consider helping Rudy at the link... LINK TO HELP RUDY --------------- Have a Gold Wing? Please take the AGE POLL HERE ! --------------- If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong? --------------- SDB/Jim 2000 GL1500SE in CA 1983 GL1100I in SC --------------- But formerly San Diego and now "temporarily" Aiken, SC |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22nd, 2010 03:24 pm | 44th Post |
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sandiegobrass wrote:Of course now that the Audiovox CCS-100 is no longer produced, you only have the electronic version available.. and it is available under two badges..Both Audiovox and Rostra.. different part numbers but apparently the same electronic unit.. Oh man that's a bummer Jim! I was considering changing it back over to the vacuum unit, guess that's not a option now. The Rostra is acting up. I just can't seem to get that thing dialed in properly. Imma thinkin maybe it has to do with the speedo sensor so I might see what I can work out putting the magnets on for the magnetic pickup or tie into the ignition somehow (I think ignition was discussed at one point)
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22nd, 2010 11:02 pm | 45th Post |
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Yaa.. I was going to get one to play with too.. Ha... they are going for $250 on ebay.. rare commodity indeed at one time last year they were $69 at JCW.. do a search for tach filter on the net.. there are several out there for about $25 bucks.. they were used on corvetts and camaros (and other conversions) to adapt the old school tachs to electronic ignitions.. I made my own and proved the principle (by oscilloscope) but never got around to wiring it into the bike... It is jsut a passive diode/RC circuit that clips and filters the coil signal on the Spark unit (ground ) side... This is a very trashy signal with spikes of several hundred volts.. you actually might be able to use the coil signal on the +12v side (will actually be about 7-9 volt after the ballast resistor) because there is such a chopped current surge, I expect that this supposedly constant voltage has a square wave of a volt or two which is essentially what the Rostra is wanting to see anyway... I'd try it if I had the time (and my bike were here) ppm should be the rpm at 60 mph (or maybe x2.. would have to work it out)
____________________ Please consider helping Rudy at the link... LINK TO HELP RUDY --------------- Have a Gold Wing? Please take the AGE POLL HERE ! --------------- If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong? --------------- SDB/Jim 2000 GL1500SE in CA 1983 GL1100I in SC --------------- But formerly San Diego and now "temporarily" Aiken, SC |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17th, 2010 09:50 pm | 46th Post |
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Link is broken.. Document is below (mods might want to point the link in the first post to this document) Attachment: Rostra Installation Short Version with small pics 8-14-10.pdf (Downloaded 91 times) Last edited on Wed Aug 18th, 2010 12:08 am by sandiegobrass ____________________ Please consider helping Rudy at the link... LINK TO HELP RUDY --------------- Have a Gold Wing? Please take the AGE POLL HERE ! --------------- If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong? --------------- SDB/Jim 2000 GL1500SE in CA 1983 GL1100I in SC --------------- But formerly San Diego and now "temporarily" Aiken, SC |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18th, 2010 05:58 pm | 47th Post |
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Or using the same text as in the 1st post Link to complete Installation and Testing Document (pdf)
____________________ Please consider helping Rudy at the link... LINK TO HELP RUDY --------------- Have a Gold Wing? Please take the AGE POLL HERE ! --------------- If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong? --------------- SDB/Jim 2000 GL1500SE in CA 1983 GL1100I in SC --------------- But formerly San Diego and now "temporarily" Aiken, SC |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 7th, 2011 12:40 am | 48th Post |
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I would just like to say a big thanks to Jim for compiling and sharing his knowledge on all things Rostra CCs. Although I don't have a Goldwing (yet, maybe one day), his guide was the most useful of all I found on the internet. Cheers! I have now more or less successfully set up my Rostra CC on a BMW K1200S. There have been many challenges to get it to work in such a cramped environment. Like Jim I will post a 'how to' probably to the BMW superbikes forum. One minor point of contention vs his guide - I can confirm that increasing PPM actually reduces the aggressiveness of the system and also raises the minimum engage speed. I ended up running 8000ppm vs technically correct 6000ppm given I was using the Rostra VSS kit and 5 magnets (small neodymium cylinder types) in the heads of the disc brake bolts. Minimum engage speed is about 50mph/80kmh. The system does overshoot slightly up hills (3-4mph) but recovers in about 5-10s and on the flat roads at highway speeds it is pretty rock solid. Take up is instantaneous and smooth. Coast button single presses undershoot a little (3-4mph) then recover. Holding the coast it decels smoothly and sits at the speed when the button is released. All quite livable. There may be slight improvements possible still but this is about an 8.5/10. For the record settings for the K1200S were ultra low gain, 8000 PPM, 8 Cyl low takeup, sinusoidal vss, auto trans (used a banjo switch to ground the NSS wire for backup cruise cancellation with clutch lever), and open cruise switch. Cheers. Last edited on Fri Oct 7th, 2011 03:29 am by kpavey |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 7th, 2011 08:29 am | 49th Post |
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...not wanting to add any confusion, but I happened to look at this thread as it appeared to be something new in this forum that I had not seen before via the mainpage. I read down to where the speed sensor issue was going to be investigated and scanned further for the results. I didn't see any. I've no interest in a cruise control. I use a throttle lock, and am happy, but I did notice some questions about the speed sensor in the speedometer. My "speed sensor awareness" came about from a self-cancelling turn signal conversion from a Kawasaki which uses the same design, from the same speedo manufacturer as the Honda uses. I'm using a vintage trip computer and it also needs a signal input from a sensor, though for a different reason than cruise, the principal is probably the same. I've found the "speed sensor" in the speedometer of my '78 to be nothing more than a magenetic reed switch with a 4:1 count of wheel rotation. Meaning: the wheel rotates once and the sensor counts four revolutions. Same as the Kawasaki donor the self-cancelling unit came from. Hope this helps someone. 
____________________ "They're gonna make it look like suicide." Hunter S. Thompson, one day before his death. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 7th, 2011 01:40 pm | 50th Post |
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When I bought my last 82 Wing, it had an electronic/vacuum cruise control...It didn't work so I had the dealer I bought that Wing from disconnect it...Main reason being that it was hooked up to the choke cable not the throttle cables?????...Yeah I know it was confusing to me too....But Several months later when pulling the fairing, that a so called "friend" of mine, his mechanic let my Wing fall on its right side, busting the fairing, I found lots more small wires running out of the fairing, plus a vacuum canister, that looked like a soup can with vacuum hoses on it???? ..The front wheel still has the magnets, but not the sensor unit, I took it off....When I get the chance to install my new tires those magnets will come off....I can only guess that the PO had this cruise control installed when this Wing was brand new?????....I have no idea what brand it was but that complete unit weighted about 3 to 4 lbs????....I'm going to the salvage yard I buy from for a throttle lock control, mine had both but when the Wing fell over part of my throttle lock came up missing....
____________________ THE NATION WHICH FORGETS ITS DEFENDERS WILL ITSELF BE FORGOTTEN 1982 GL-1100 Goldwing Interstate...Old Red 1982 GL-1100 Goldwing Interstate...Black Beauty 1994 GL-1500 Goldwing Aspencade...401K.... http://www.RudysBackyard.com |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10th, 2011 07:10 pm | 51st Post |
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kpavey wrote: ... I can confirm that increasing PPM actually reduces the aggressiveness of the system and also raises the minimum engage speed. I ended up running 8000ppm vs technically correct 6000ppm given I was using the Rostra VSS kit and 5 magnets (small neodymium cylinder types) in the heads of the disc brake bolts. Minimum engage speed is about 50mph/80kmh. Thanks for the comments... I have had the suspicion that I had the PPM axis order reversed some time after I compiled the data into excel, but had lost the original notes... the most important point is still present in that PPM setting is just another "knob" to twist and not necessarily fixed for an application, and that the ROSTRA is not "plug and play".. it needs much testing to get it working... (If I am every lost for something to do, I may repeat the tests to verifiy the excel sheet.)
____________________ Please consider helping Rudy at the link... LINK TO HELP RUDY --------------- Have a Gold Wing? Please take the AGE POLL HERE ! --------------- If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong? --------------- SDB/Jim 2000 GL1500SE in CA 1983 GL1100I in SC --------------- But formerly San Diego and now "temporarily" Aiken, SC |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30th, 2011 03:34 pm | 52nd Post |
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Thanks Jim, I have been looking for that PDF for quite a long time. You instructions and email help allowed me to install the CC on my BMW R1200C. It's been working flawlessly since 2008. Several of the Chromeheads.org people are trying to do the same thing and need this document. Happy Holidays to You and yours and to everyone. Russ 
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