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 Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 05:11 am 181st Post
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never think your safe....It's always that second that we think...or dont think..ahead.

 

Good info..thanks

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Schefner wrote: My new favorite rule to remember, Where you look is where you go!

 

This is a great rule, it is easy to let our vision come back in too close to the bike.  It makes taking a curve so much easier it you look through the curve.  Also, a "high visual horizon" which goes right along with this principal keeps you looking ahead and planning for what is developing versus reacting to what has already developed - or it being too late to prevent a crash.



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You know, I've just read through this entire thread. I agree with everyting that's been said thus far and there are alot of very good pointers here to keep us safe.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned that I think bears mention is that, every time we do something dangerous and/or stupid and get away with it, it becomes that much safer in our sub-conscience. This is why it's so difficult to un-learn bad habits. It just doesn't seem so important when we've gotten away with those bad habits for so long. Tailgating, getting lost in the scenery, any one of many bad habits can get us hurt or killed. But the fact is, we get away with these things alot more often than we get bit by them. In order for any of these afformentioned techniques to do us any good, we first need to realize that many of us, perhaps YOU, have room for improvement, and that it IS, in fact, important.

I ride two up with my beloved behind me alot of the time. The trust she gives me every time she gets on one of the bikes behind me is not to be taken lightly. For that matter, even riding one up, I am holding the very future of my wife and my daughter in my hands, becuase one stupid move on my behalf could very deeply impact their lives.

I love motorcycles. All shapes and sizes. I LOVE to ride. Been riding since I was about 14 years old stealing my Dad's motorcycle when he and my Mom were at work. Yes, if I stopped doing all of the things that involve risk, I too would never be able to leave the house. But, I have to admit that, while I'm alot more responsible a rider than I was at 14, I too still have some bad habits that linger. Unless I first admit that I HAVE these bad habits, I sure as heck can't do anything about them! A breif exercize in humility can save your life. Be honest when you evaluate your riding prowess as well as your riding STYLE. You can't fix a problem you won't admit to having.

Keep the shiney side up, and yer knees in the breeze!

Johnny

Oh, PS, I'm glad some threads don't die. IE, I'm glad this thread was up near the top where it belongs! :)



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goldwinger wrote: One recommendation I heard and like to do is When going through an intersection always try and go through with an other vehicle next to you, either speed up or slow down so you are part of a bigger picture for people to see. And if I cant, I always turn on my fog lights well before the lights.
Very good advice.



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cldryder wrote: Here's a nice trick.

pretty much everyone has heard of a rider that was hurt or killed because he was unable to avoid an object in the road.

The 1st way to avoid this is to always make sure you have enough clear road ahead of you.  However, sometimes thru no fault of your own you have less space ahead than you'd like.  (many times I've wished for a sign "THE CLEAR SPACE IN FRONT OF ME IS FOR SAFETY, NOT SO YOU CAN PASS!!!!)

when I'm riding on blacktop in low traffic conditions sometimes I'll pretend a road patch or dark spot in my line of travel is debris in the road.  I'll practice making an abrupt manuever to avoid the spot.

Very good point. I also do this on my bike.



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Tattoo Taffy wrote: i ride during the week so as to stay clear of weekend wannabe's and crotch rockets, it has worked for 30yrs so far....:cool:

Great point. I think they should up the age limit on croch rockets! How good are you at drining at 16 yr's old... Or how mature can  you really be? And don't even mention cell phones!!



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This is the best thread on this forum. I have been off a bike for 20 yr's but am back in the saddle again. All the information on this thread is very helpful.



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Jluvs2dive wrote: Fagan420 wrote: 1. ALWAYS WEAR A BRAIN BUCKET!!!!!

2. Never wear sandals/flip flops or other flimsy footwear.


Good points, but I think the reason it wasn't brought up here was because it has been many times before, and there is quite a bit of controversy about it.  I'm pretty much an ATGATT myself, but I also believe it should be a persons choice, as long as their decision doesn't cost me $ if they get banged up.  Unfortunately it does though, in increased insurance premiums and in taxes.

BTW, threads really don't usually die  here, they just go dormant for awhile. ;)  Welcome to the forum too!

John

In Kentucky its a law (Probably in most states) that you must have your seat belt on while operation a morot vehicle. But, it's ok to get on your motorcyle without a helmet on. Hmmmmmmmmmm, Am I the only one a little confused about this?:?:?:?



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98Wing-487 wrote: Like one of Rudy's posts said:

ALWAYS assume someone is going to run a red light that you are stopped at. Saved my neck in a cage twice.

Also, after a big rain or "gulley washer", watch for gravel or debris in corners.

Gravel in corners can increase the "pucker factor" exponentially 

The "pucker factor". :D:D That's a new on on me!



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sfermano wrote: There are number of things I've learned about riding a bike. If you see someone ahead preparing to turn left in front of you, assume it will happen. An insurance company surveyed a bunch of cage drivers years ago, that had turned left in front of motorcycles, causing a collision. When asked if they had seen the motorcycle approaching, a large percentage of drivers said that Yes, they did see the motorcycle coming at them. When asked why they still turned left in front of them, they said it was only a motorcycle and either didn't feel threatened or figured it was up to the motorcyclist to maneuver around him...

A tip from a long haul trucker...use your blinkers when changing lanes, even if there are no other cars in the area. This will help keep you awake and alert.

Great point!:clapper:



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http://www.michiganautolaw.com/auto-lawyers-blog/2008/09/30/%E2%80%9Ccrotch-rocket%E2%80%9D-motorcycle-death-rates-continue-to-rise-in-michigan/

Sorry for all the posts, I just want to be safe and all to be safe!!!!!!!!!!!!



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I am a new member here and want to say thanks for great forum and excellent group.   I have read this entire thread and it was/is a good one.  I am also a proponent and believer of the you are invisible and they all want to kill you club.

 

  Just to touch on the highway/ big truck aspect a bit more.  I was heavy truck sales manager for two heavy truck franchises here in the Northeast and during my 20 years in that business I have witnessed the following FALLING off of some of these rigs: ( usually after the stuff is long gone and most always it has happened out on the open road at highway speed, but on occasion have seen some of this crap actually hit the pavement in front of me.)

 

Spare tires, rims and wheels, wheel chocks, battery box covers (usually made of steel),  batteries themselves, tie downs of all sorts, chains, bungies, tarps, nylon straps with big steel hooks, complete set of dual wheels and tires (yes I mean the whole set of of both tires and wheels, exhaust pipe covers, exhaust pipe parts of all sorts, clamps, hoses, flex pipes, mufflers, fog lamps, fuel caps, and just about every other nut and bolt holding these rigs together.  

 

 My point here is stay clear of the tractor trailer's at all costs.  Those big alligator's of rubber can come off those retread tires at any moment.  When they run over anything it usually is flung high in the air beside or behind them.

 

Safe travels to all.  Thanks for a great forum



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As a truck driver/biker, I would like to add to the above comments.

It is law in most states now that vehicles are to pull to the left lane while passing emergency or dot vehicles.. This law was effected to protect law enforcement officers and the vehicles they may be on the shoulder with as well as road workers.  Most trucking companies instruct there drivers to move to the left for ANY vehicle on the shoulder, it's just good common sense.  If you are making a maneuver directly behind a semi, or just traveling close to it, the driver has no way of seeing you there, You as a driver of a motorcycle have NO chance of seeing the right shoulder of the road in front of you.  Some think its fun to streamline the truck and slingshot around it, I would ask you please, please please stop using this practice, the truck driver cannot see directly behind him, if you slingshot as he is moving to the left, you will never have time to recover, you will hit the medium or the truck, either way, your day is over..  Please use some common sense and caution around the big rig's

 

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Tip 1.  I always follow all traffic at least 2 times what it takes for me to stop.  Instead of using the 2 second rule I use my 4 second rule. It does not change my arrival time but just a few seconds.  Just look at other drivers and you will notice there may only be 2 vehicles for the next 50 miles and the second vehicle will trail close to the one in front.  I estimate they are following too close about 97% of the time.

Tip 2.  I always wear a hunter’s orange vest or overalls.  I guess I can pass for some escaped prisoner, but at least I am easy to see.  I personally selected a Red GW 1500.  Much easier to see.  I have orange safety vest and I have them sewn on my hunter orange jacket or overalls.  The vest is a reflective vest. 

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BARTON wrote: Tip 2.  I always wear a hunter’s orange vest or overalls.  I guess I can pass for some escaped prisoner, but at least I am easy to see.  I personally selected a Red GW 1500.  Much easier to see.  I have orange safety vest and I have them sewn on my hunter orange jacket or overalls.  The vest is a reflective vest. 
Actually, the dark red GL1500 is one of the least visible colors. From Daimler Benz, safest most visible vehicle colors, from most visible to least:

White      86%
Light Ivory     71%
Aqua Blue     71%
Yellow     70%
Pastel White     67%
Off White     65%
Maple Yellow     58%
Signal Red     44%
Autumn Beige     38%
Carnelian Red     21%
Red Green     21%
Beige Grey     20%
Grey     17%
Blue     8%
Deep Blue     5%
Dark Olive     5%
Black     4%
Dark Red     4%
Dark Blue 4%



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A lot of my motorcycle and scooter experience is from when I was young and dumb. Now that I am much more mature it is a challenge to figure all of this stuff out. I had a feeling that my wine red or whatever shade my GW is might be hard to see after dark. I thank you for posting all of the hard to see colors. My wife just did not want me to get a dark color or gray color. Those colors are harder to see because they blend into the road. I am in the process of making my own trailer, and one thing I knew I wanted was to have a lot of lights on it. I saw one pass me early one morning that was lit up like some of the semi’s and there is no way a person could not miss seeing them. They were pretty and got my attention.
I never really thought about adding ground effects, but I think they also are pretty. Plus that is just one more thing for someone to see.
Not knowing a whole lot about the led and ground effects lights I have probably spent several hundred dollars on eBay so I can try the different lights and colors. What is left over I can always put on my pickup.
I have ordered a modulator to make my brake lights flash off and on when engaged.
Just this morning I was reading thru and studying on changing over all of the lights to the led lights to reduce the amp load and found out I can add a modulator to my daylight running lights to make it flash off and on.
It’s a good thing I am retired. There are so many things to learn about the touring bikes.

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Don't ride down the road with no hands on the handle bars. I tried it and thought it was pretty cool until I hit a bump and the front end started whipping back and forth violently. I got my hands back on the controls before it crashed but I never did that again.

 

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abodeen wrote: Don't ride down the road with no hands on the handle bars. I tried it and thought it was pretty cool until I hit a bump and the front end started whipping back and forth violently. I got my hands back on the controls before it crashed but I never did that again.

 

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When Riding with a friend on another bike "NEVER" ride side by side its deadly.Two illustrations here: Two Harleys with there girlfriends as passengers-They were trying to talk back and forth,the bikes got to close and the handlebars locked,they both went down,not pretty.
Another one- Two bikes side by side going up a hill that curved left, the inside bike drifted to the right taking up the other bikes lane and effectively putting him in the ditch.I helped put the broken bike in my P.U. and took the guy home,he was lucky,just bruises.
Always Stagger when possible and keep distance when riding with two or more bikes, it pays.


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I remember taking a MSF course one year when I attended the Americade.

That course gave me a better feel for my bike and was very informative.

I never saw a change in my insurance rates (that they stated), but it was very helpful.

Now that I have my second wing, I need to take the course again since it has been 15 years since I took the course.

Has anyone here taken the MSF course on a wing?

I took the course on an '89 Honda PC. Much smaller and more maneuverable.

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