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Thanks Dave. brought my '80 1100 back to life for under $45, with new wires ! Ric
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Does anyone know how swapping the Neon coil onto a '76 would be? I have an occasional miss and am thinking it is caused by the wire. I have shortened the wire several times and I still get the miss.
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There are a lot of coil packs like this out there. Ford Escort etc. A lot of the 4 cylinder cars used wasted spark after they got rid of the distributors. Then they went to coil on spark plug, a coil for each spark plug.
I have a 98 Escort coil pack that works great.

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No, I haven't. Are they the rubber plugs that fit over the wire terminals and fit around the sparkplugs? I have some other used ones I'll try replacing them in the AM.

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I have a 79 'wing that still has original points ignition and have been following this thread since the start hoping it would solve some problems for me too as I think my coils are failing as well.
I've corresponded with "Hondaman" regarding his ignition upgrade - see here: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?PH...4943#msg744943
The Hondaman module looked/s like a great addition to the ignition system. I thought that his module would solve the mismatch between the 3 ohm primary resistance required by the pre-1980 'wings and the 0.5 ohms required for the Neon ignitors using some capacitor trickery. It does not use capacitors, but transistors. It does look like a really neat way to unload the power going to the points and has much value in this regard, but it does not solve the mismatch for coils.
Indeed, it seems that we are barking up the wrong tree here for the Neon type of coils for the early 'wings. The coils are used in a capacitive discharge ignition (CDI) system which I believe the 1980 'wings and onward have. In my limited understanding of this, and based on a very helpful email from Hondaman, the coils for the Neon type need a big wallop of juice to get the sparkers for the plugs going. If we try to do this with the standard points that we have (Kettering type) on pre '80 points we will develop a bunch of heat in the wires, burn out the start switch (eventually) and not generate much spark.
So, it seems to me that we're back to Dyna or Accels for the early wings.
Full disclosure here says that I really am not an electrics guy (obviously), but this is my broad understanding of this effort for the older 'wings trying to use the modern ignitors.
If anyone knows of modernish coils/ignitors that would work, I would be happy to research/try them out on my '79. And indeed stand to be corrected if what I have written here is incorrect.
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Looks to me like that is exactly what is needed to make it work. Send him a message and find out.

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This page http://home.comcast.net/~loudgpz/GPZ...ForPoints.html shows a way to adapt a GM HEI Ignitor for Points - seems like the perfect solution to me.

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Interesting link here regarding spark plug wires etc. Also a mention about the 75-79 Gold wing coils. Not sure of the accuracy but it seems to add to the discussion.

http://www.motorcycleproject.com/mot...gwiretech.html

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I like it,

But would like to know the pro's & Con's of short & Long Term HEI coil use.

Are there any long term problems, or issues.

Any issues, with regards to running full voltage or did you drop the voltage to to 7 volts,

if using full voltage what problems did you have, has anyone had to replaced their pulse generators or anything else.

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As advertised. Went to the local junkie and picked up a set of coils from a Neon($20- including a 30 day warranty). Two bolts and a couple wire snips and it is out. I did it on my lunch hour. Also take the plug wires and boots. You can use the boots on the coil as Dave indicated.

O'Reilly's Auto had crimp connectors ($.29 each)so I used new ones. Make sure you strip about 1/2 inch of the center conductor to bend back and crimp to the connector.

I got a couple of male lug connectors to plug into the original coil connector. I crimped and soldered the connections to the Neon connector.
I currently have the coils in with a couple of thick tie-wraps. My friend around the corner is going to weld a bracket this weekend.

I am going to take a spin and see how she rides.

When I take it apart to put the bracket on, I will take copious pictures to add on to what Dave provided.

Thanks Dave.

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