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While reading up on the oil change procedure, my first for this bike, it says to remove the oil filter screen, I assume to clean and inspect it, but given the age and that this GW has had a questionable service history, would it be advisable to just replace it even if it looks OK. I don't know what a good one would look like anyway and cleaning it seems like a waist of time, if you have it out anyway, unless they cost more than a gallon of gas.

Also, it say to kick over the engine a couple of times with the key off, but since I don't have a kick start, would it be OK to turn the engine over a few times with with the kill switch on? It says this helps to get the oil out of area of the engine that draining alone won't get.

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Not knowing what model Wing you have, generally speaking, the oil screen in any engine is designed to be removed, cleaned and re-installed with new seals. There may be several discs that resembledoor screening, but extremely fine mesh. What one screen misses, the others will catch. They can be cleaned in any type of solvent (I use gasoline) and reassembled in the order in which you take them apart. Other types of screens are just a bundle of fine wire mesh contained in a cylinder which is removeable. In most cases, wire screen filters are expensive to replace with the original configuration, so cleaning the old one is most cost effective.

On the other hand, if you prefer, you can replace the OEM screen filter with a conversion kit and install a spin-on oil filter from that point on.

I have never heard of "kicking" the engine over to get the last drop of oil out of the engine. Of course, I also do not have your repair manual in front of me either. Can't imagine where the oil would hang out after draining the crank case. All the internal oil galeries are gravity fed to the point of origin, (the crank case) and should drain after shut down. Just a note. When I change the oil & filter on any motorcycle engine, I crank it over with the kill switch "off" until the oil light goes out. Then, turn the kill switch on and start the engine.. That way, oil pressure is up when the pistons fire..

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Renegade: First, don't take any of the following as an affrontor slight, it's just been a long night not sleeping, dueto disabilities I suffer from, I'm only glad it doesn't happen every day or night.

I was told repeatedly, that I should list my motorcycle year, make, and model in the signature, that shows up at the bottom of the post.Did I do this for no reason?I list two motorcycles, but since this is a Goldwing site, I'm sure it should be obvious which one I am talking about.

The information on the Oil change, I got from the Clymer manual, page 25, chapter on Oil and Filter Change, step # 7. "Let oil drain at least 10 minutes. Operate kickstarter several time to drain oil caught in the engine".

Since the oil screen is made to be cleaned, I gues then, I clean and reinstall it during each oil and filter change.

If you are reading this from email, and my signature does not list my Goldwing, for you and others who may want to know, it is a 1981 GL 1100 I My other motorcycle is a 1979 HondaCX 500 Custom.

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Hey glcxrider, to get to the oil screen door, you'll have to remove the right engine guard then drop the mufflers (Just take the bolts off at the head on both sides and they should drop down). You will see the door. There will be a couple of bolts that will be difficult to get to so just use a pry bar, easy, to move things.

Here is a helpful post on the subject:

https://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/forum1/9844.html


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the screen is a fine wire mesh, it basically prevents anything of size from getting into the system, the finer things are removed by the filter... it can jst be cleaned... mother honda wants about $13 for the screen
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No problem glcxrider... I lost control for a moment there... Like I mentioned, I do not have the repair manual in front of me, so what information I provide is for your digestion. It's not written in stone.. Sorry.

Working on these older bikes can be a nightmare, so we try to keep the site as informative as possible. The information posted here is in no way critical or deceptive and is meant only to help and guide us all..

I've attached your post, and as you can see, which is what I see, there is no indication of exactly what model MC you were asking about... The GW icon at the end can mean anything... Again, my appologies..





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While reading up on the oil change procedure, my first for this bike, it says to remove the oil filter screen, I assume to clean and inspect it, but given the age and that this GW has had a questionable service history, would it be advisable to just replace it even if it looks OK. I don't know what a good one would look like anyway and cleaning it seems like a waist of time, if you have it out anyway, unless they cost more than a gallon of gas.

Also, it say to kick over the engine a couple of times with the key off, but since I don't have a kick start, would it be OK to turn the engine over a few times with with the kill switch on? It says this helps to get the oil out of area of the engine that draining alone won't get.

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That's really strange Renegade:

At the bottom of your post I can read "Too Old To Live, Too Fast To Die
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I can also readon other's posts, what they have written, most of which are descriptions of their Goldwings.

I wonder if anyone else is have problems reading the ID of my motorcycles at the lower left hand corner, of my posts?

It's kind of discouraging when you try to oblige the group and do something, then it can't be seen by all.

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p.s. The reason for the Goldwing Icon, is because mine is Blue also with someflames, that you barely notice, unless you are looking at it right.



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Also, it say to kick over the engine a couple of times with the key off, but since I don't have a kick start, would it be OK to turn the engine over a few times with with the kill switch on? It says this helps to get the oil out of area of the engine that draining alone won't get.
The owner and repair manuals I had for my 83i both said to turn the engine over a few timeswith the kill switch turned off (on?) so that the engine wouldn't start. I was surprised at how much oil came out when I did. Not that it was a quart or so, but probably around 6-8 ounces. I don't think it would have seriously contaminated the new oil but it certainly kept it cleaner after the change.

Now I don't remember if the instructions for the 85a were the same but I did the same thing and got about the same amount out. I am sure that with any engine that requires replacement of oil and filters that there will always be a certain amount of old oil left inside unless you flushed it out, but I was jsut trying to improve the ratio of dirty/old to clean/new.

And I am sure one of the gurus will be along to give you an answer that makes sense too!

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That's really strange Renegade:

At the bottom of your post I can read "Too Old To Live, Too Fast To Die
Nam Vet"

I can also readon other's posts, what they have written, most of which are descriptions of their Goldwings.

I wonder if anyone else is have problems reading the ID of my motorcycles at the lower left hand corner, of my posts?

It's kind of discouraging when you try to oblige the group and do something, then it can't be seen by all.

glcxrider

p.s. The reason for the Goldwing Icon, is because mine is Blue also with someflames, that you barely notice, unless you are looking at it right.

Well, I can see your bike in your signature line, but earlier it wasn't there.

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This is my first oil change i have a 1987 1200I and all ready i have one question first step was to take oil filter off done.Question number 1 all i have is the filter i don't have a cap around the filter is this a problem?

Second the drain plug is there a better picture or something that show were the plug is?I'm looking at a 9/16 bolt is this it it to the right of the filter?

Thanks for your help i need this done today because i'm going on a toys for tots run in the morning.





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