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First of all I am pretty sure that 99% car engines have aluminum cylinder heads. That means probably that only antifreeze for sale now ismade for aluminum which I believe is written on every bottle. So what you need is to see on bottle"for aluminum"

Second-about water pumps. Water pumps have 2 parts I want to talk about. They are bearings and seal. Bearings have no contact with antifreeze, so whatever you use cannot damage bearings. Now about seals. I have no idea if silicates can damage seals. If they can I don't think that water pump seals in bike engines and car engines are made from different rubber.

If you think that you need special antifreeze for Wing you need it for your car too.

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First of all I am pretty sure that 99% car engines have aluminum cylinder heads. That means probably that only antifreeze for sale now ismade for aluminum which I believe is written on every bottle. So what you need is to see on bottle"for aluminum"

Second-about water pumps. Water pumps have 2 parts I want to talk about. They are bearings and seal. Bearings have no contact with antifreeze, so whatever you use cannot damage bearings. Now about seals. I have no idea if silicates can damage seals. If they can I don't think that water pump seals in bike engines and car engines are made from different rubber.

If you think that you need special antifreeze for Wing you need it for your car too.
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I have wondered about all the different antifreezes. I have a 81 gl1100 and I don't think they even made different antifreezes in 81. When I drained mine to change the water pump. It had green antifreeze in it. I replaced it with extended life that was a green color. I just went and looked at the bottle it says 5 year 50,000 mile extended life. I see nothing about silicate. When I did mine a year ago I was told to use extewnded like not the standard antifreeze. Did I use the wrong thing??

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Use only silicate free antifreeze for aluminum engines and stop confusing yourselves.







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... If you think that you need special antifreeze for Wing you need it for your car too.
I think that this is too strong of a statement.... just a few posts down HERE discusses the real reasons why silicate free antifreeze is required in our motorcycles... and it has very little if anything to do with aluminum (since we know silicates are good for aluminum)... more about acids, bases, oil and coolant contact with each other that forms solids, sludges, and the like..

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Ever time I read this stuff I have to shake my head.If you do not put the right fuilds in ,you can messy your bike up.Now you have to spend more money to get it fix or you are broke down some where
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I just went out on the net and did some reading. With the manuals that were printed in the 70 and 80's.They recomend ethylene glycol antifreeze. The ethylene glycol antifreeze did not contain silicates. In the 90's when most all cars started usiong aluminum heads and iron blocks that is when the silicates were introduced into the antifreeze. So the mdern antifreezr contains silicates. Silicate free is recomended. The label must state silicate free or it will contain it. So I guess I installed the wrong stuff in my own. I will get something different when I go to town and change mine. I know when I did my water pump I was told that any extended would be good. I guess thatwas not an accurate statement.

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I wonder if "Low Silicates" on the label is ok.
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I wonder if "Low Silicates" on the label is ok.
I think we are looking for NO Silicates added on the label

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As mentioned earlier. When I replaced the water pump in my 1100 this past summer I used the wrong antifreeze. I was under the impression that all extended life atifreeze was safe to use. Anyway after my pump replacement my bike ran warmer. Would the use of the wrong antifreeze cause this? It does not run hot but it does run warmer than it did before I did the water pump. I am going to the Honda dealer this week and get Honda antifreeze to put back in my 1100. I checked every label at the parts store today. The only antifreeze that is marked as silicate free is Prstone DexCool in the gray bottle. Anyway any ideas if the use of regular extended use would cause the problem of extra heat??

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