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So is the bolt out? The 1200 have the cap on the on the rear case to access the bolt #6 on the parts fiche, use a 17 mm wrench to get it off. the bolt should be a 12mm head, use a 6 point socket on a rachet(3/8 drive). Set it to tighten(righty tighty) and see if the bolt is loose, if so tighten up and torque to specs,if not then you will have to pull and remove the rear case and check it all inside there.

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I looked at that parts list, seems that a 1200 has a nut, mine has a bolt like item # 10 and a washer like #11...in this parts list for an 1100.....Bt here's where it gets jiggy....That bolt or washer on a non damaged case won't come out of the hole there....?????

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The bolt is tight and you're right I can't get to the nut that removes the rotor. I tried backed off the bolt and then resecured it. With out striping the threads I pulled on the bolt and then tapped the starter. I can feel the wrench jump in my hand but the engine will not free up.

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Just thinking out loud here. If I can remember correctly, I had a 1200 in a couple years ago and the shifter drum or linkage was jambed. If I remember correctly it was all behind the front engine cover. Help me out here 1200 gurus. Hate to see a engine get pulled for nothing. Tony

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I can turn on my switch on and with my indicator light shift up through the gears. When your drum or linkage was jambed. could you move the shifter lever? I'm with you on pulling this engine although I recently pulled the engine out of my Shadow to put in a water pump. I'm thinking I have the ability - just not as much desire.

I just opened up the cover on the right side of the engine to expose the drive gear and part of the flywheel hoping that I would see a gear or chain jambed. Nothing.

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I can turn on my switch on and with my indicator light shift up through the gears. When your drum or linkage was jambed. could you move the shifter lever? I'm with you on pulling this engine although I recently pulled the engine out of my Shadow to put in a water pump. I'm thinking I have the ability - just not as much desire.

I just opened up the cover on the right side of the engine to expose the drive gear and part of the flywheel hoping that I would see a gear or chain jambed. Nothing.

After reading through all of the scenarios of the possible problem with the engine I think you can be pretty sure it's located in the started drive or chain!!. If while cranking the engine you by accident shifted the transmission into a low gear ( like first ) the shock load in the drum could have snapped the chain, binding it up and locking it against the drum. therefor trying to move it in any direction would be " NOT"!!!. IT happened to me on my other 1200 wing. Seems to be a weak ling on these particular models. Sorry it happened to you, but your in the right direction.!!



"Just another quick note" the starter drum/drive and sprocket are internal of the rear case. didn't you mention in the first page that you could " Turn the starter drive/drum in onedirection but not he other" ??? and the starter is free turning???, If this is so you can bet that the chain is theproblem!!!. Just my 2 cents. your still going to need to pull the engine. It's easy to do. Line up your rear cover gasket first, don't pull the heads, and stay away from " Mom's home remedies on carbs"!!!!!!!..... Stick to the people who have proven results on carb cleaning methods. what works for some folks don't always mean that it works for others. justIMHO!!. SEAFOAM, STABLE, just to mention a few!!!. Did you know that you can D/I( Direct Inject)seafoam into the carbs!!. I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers hereJust trying to help!!. Allan




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I can turn on my switch on and with my indicator light shift up through the gears. When your drum or linkage was jambed. could you move the shifter lever? I'm with you on pulling this engine although I recently pulled the engine out of my Shadow to put in a water pump. I'm thinking I have the ability - just not as much desire.

I just opened up the cover on the right side of the engine to expose the drive gear and part of the flywheel hoping that I would see a gear or chain jambed. Nothing.

After reading through all of the scenarios of the possible problem with the engine I think you can be pretty sure it's located in the started drive or chain!!. If while cranking the engine you by accident shifted the transmission into a low gear ( like first ) the shock load in the drum could have snapped the chain, binding it up and locking it against the drum. therefor trying to move it in any direction would be " NOT"!!!. IT happened to me on my other 1200 wing. Seems to be a weak ling on these particular models. Sorry it happened to you, but your in the right direction.!!



"Just another quick note" the starter drum/drive and sprocket are internal of the rear case. didn't you mention in the first page that you could " Turn the starter drive/drum in onedirection but not he other" ??? and the starter is free turning???, If this is so you can bet that the chain is theproblem!!!. Just my 2 cents. your still going to need to pull the engine. It's easy to do. Line up your rear cover gasket first, don't pull the heads, and stay away from " Mom's home remedies on carbs"!!!!!!!..... Stick to the people who have proven results on carb cleaning methods. what works for some folks don't always mean that it works for others. justIMHO!!. SEAFOAM, STABLE, just to mention a few!!!. Did you know that you can D/I( Direct Inject)seafoam into the carbs!!. I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers hereJust trying to help!!. Allan


Sounds like you are going to be busy. Pull the engine and let us know what you find. It does sound like the chain at this point now. Tony

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Oh, the first thing I did was to pull the starter out to see if I bound the chain or sprocket. All turn fine - one direction but no kinks or etc. Checked the starter and it's ok. With all of my rocking etc I have had the starter out.


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Guys, if you read the quote, he says that he can turn the starter chain in one direction, all the way around and the chain has no kinks. He cannot turn the other way. That tells me that the starter sprag clutch is working just fine and that the problem is not with the starter chain.

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Have neveroneapart but does anyone know if there's a problem with engaging transmission with driveshaft removed. Anything in output that can get out of alignment etc?

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