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GL1100 clutch replacement - Q about center clutch hub spinning freely

The front brakes locked up on my wing in the fast lane of a 4 lane highway last week...had to get out of the middle of the road, and basically destroyed my clutch trying to overcome the brakes. At least I think that's what I did. Pretty bummed about what happened; it was all pretty exciting, happened very fast and in retrospect maybe I'd have done thing differently...all water under the bridge at this point.

Took the clutch cover off (with bike on sidestand and rear tire on the ground) and at this point I am waiting on the tool to remove the center nut that holds in the clutch assembly. Decided against the screwdriver/chisel trick. But I did notice that I can turn the center of the clutch by hand (more like with a vicegrip on the nut), and it spins with only a slight bit of resistance...even when the bike is in gear with the tire on the ground (regardless of whether it is in neutral or any gear, it feels the same). I would have expected that with the bike in gear, I would not be able to spin the clutch hub..not easily anyway. Anyway, I am awaiting the tool so I can see the condition of the clutch discs, but I am really troubled that I can spin the clutch center hub so easily. Does this sound like I have a much more serious problem, trans related for example?

Turning the bike over with the starter and the engine kill switch in the off position, the outer basket seems to turn with the crank. I have the pressure plate and springs out, so the center hub does not spin along with the outer basket. But assuming the clutch is working properly and both outer basket and inner clutch hub "hook up", I'd assume the center hub turning is what transfers power to the trans and ultimately the rear wheel. So if it turns freely, how can that happen? Very confused..and worried. Will see what if any damage there is to the clutch plates when the tool comes and I get the center hub out to inspect them...but I am worried now that the problem is more serious.

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The front brakes locked up on my wing in the fast lane of a 4 lane highway last week...had to get out of the middle of the road, and basically destroyed my clutch trying to overcome the brakes. At least I think that's what I did. Pretty bummed about what happened; it was all pretty exciting, happened very fast and in retrospect maybe I'd have done thing differently...all water under the bridge at this point.

Took the clutch cover off (with bike on sidestand and rear tire on the ground) and at this point I am waiting on the tool to remove the center nut that holds in the clutch assembly. Decided against the screwdriver/chisel trick. But I did notice that I can turn the center of the clutch by hand (more like with a vicegrip on the nut), and it spins with only a slight bit of resistance...even when the bike is in gear with the tire on the ground (regardless of whether it is in neutral or any gear, it feels the same). I would have expected that with the bike in gear, I would not be able to spin the clutch hub..not easily anyway. Anyway, I am awaiting the tool so I can see the condition of the clutch discs, but I am really troubled that I can spin the clutch center hub so easily. Does this sound like I have a much more serious problem, trans related for example?

Turning the bike over with the starter and the engine kill switch in the off position, the outer basket seems to turn with the crank. I have the pressure plate and springs out, so the center hub does not spin along with the outer basket. But assuming the clutch is working properly and both outer basket and inner clutch hub "hook up", I'd assume the center hub turning is what transfers power to the trans and ultimately the rear wheel. So if it turns freely, how can that happen? Very confused..and worried. Will see what if any damage there is to the clutch plates when the tool comes and I get the center hub out to inspect them...but I am worried now that the problem is more serious.

All advice is appreciated. Thanks!
Sure sounds like you just completely burned it out, unless you already removed the springs which would take the pressure off the discs.

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Thanks for the suggestion; I am sure pressure is off the discs (which would prevent the outer clutch basket and inner clutch hub from locking up). But that being the case, my concern remains...why does the inner clutch center hub spin easily withe bike in gear and rear tire on the ground? Should it?
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Thanks for the suggestion; I am sure pressure is off the discs (which would prevent the outer clutch basket and inner clutch hub from locking up). But that being the case, my concern remains...why does the inner clutch center hub spin easily withe bike in gear and rear tire on the ground? Should it?
I was unaware you had the rear tire on the ground and the trans in gear, I sometimes don't read long posts very thoroughly. You may need to look elsewhere, like the drive shaft splines.

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Little bit more info...only tried turning the center hub several degrees (as much as I could with a pair of vicegrips and what with the tight clearances under / in the center of the bike, maybe 20 degrees or so). I should have tried further...when I did by hand, I noted the the hub did finally "take up the slack" and stopped turning...I further noted with the oil plug out, that the final drive gear (I guess that is what its called) started turning. When put in a higher gear, there was less slack, and I even got the tire / entire bike to move a bit when turning the center clutch hub with the vicegrips.

So maybe I'll be lucky and it is indeed just the clutch...will provide an update when I have one to give.
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Yeah there is some free play on the output side of the clutch. If you broken something, the bike would not have moved AT ALL under it's own power and there would have been a pretty noticeable clunk noise when it happened.

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As an update, I bought a used clutch from a reputable seller on Ebay, said to be from a low mileage bike (less than 30K). I would have bought a set of new clutch discs, but was not sure that was the only thing I damaged. I figured if nothing else, this would allow me to troubleshoot the bike...and for $28 shipped, I could not pass up buying the full clutch assembly. I replaced everything but the outer clutch basket, and I am happy to report after a short test ride that the bike is working perfectly.
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Oh yeah, I rebuilt the master cylinder and reamed out the return hole with a single wire brush bristle (per info. I found on sites like this one), but just in case it happens again, I now have the proper wrench for the bleeders in my trunk.
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