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...We subsidize production of Ethanol more than that.
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Why are we doing that?
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And we could have bought Ethanol already to be added to gas for .50 cents a gallon from South America. Guess how far that idea got? We subsidize production of Ethanol more than that.
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That's what really burns me up about it, if a business can't make it on it's own without subsidies we have to pay for let it go.

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And we could have bought Ethanol already to be added to gas for .50 cents a gallon from South America. Guess how far that idea got? We subsidize production of Ethanol more than that.
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That's what really burns me up about it, if a business can't make it on it's own without subsidies we have to pay for let it go.
Very, very few of us could afford to run our bikes without the Federal subsidies applied to fossil fuels in this country.
...Billions of dollars every year.
Is, this new to you too?
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Thanks Dave. I doubled somehow.

Anyway, I'll be running the 1000 solely on E-85 for NASSIR 9.
That's 85% alcohol, thereabout's...

...there an additive for that?
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Very, very few of us could afford to run our bikes without the Federal subsidies applied to fossil fuels in this country.
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No, it's not new to me. Point is ethanol is a total loss, as I understand it takes more energy to produce it than it makes and couldn't stand on it's own where fossil fuels could. I know you are a big proponent of it but I am not and never will be, even if they do figure out a profitable way to make it.
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For some (maybe even many) plants of each producer, that is true.
It's not true for them all though.
I've POET and Gevo around me. I've worked for one and may work for the other soon enough.

If you recall, I use to despise the stuff. I was simply misinformed.
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I'm with you. It only makes sense that if you take the energy from the corn it has to render the remnants less effective for feed. Aren't most of the calories gone? (energy) As far as #2 corn, I had to look that up to find the difference. #2 corn is the same as #1 with the exception it might contain some small amounts of foreign materials like stone or soil from harvest. Below is how field corn is rated according to the article from University of Kentucky..
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Thanks Dave. I doubled somehow.

Anyway, I'll be running the 1000 solely on E-85 for NASSIR 9.
That's 85% alcohol, thereabout's...

...there an additive for that?
What modifications did you make to the bike for the E85. Built a motor for a friends stock car that was carbureted and ran pure methanol. It had a compression ratio of 13:1 and huge jets. Used twice as much fuel as gas. Was almost impossible to start on alcohol. One problem with dirt racer and the dirt thrown up by the other cars would plug the radiator. Alcohol runs with a much cooler combustion temperature. He could run with the radiator plugged tight with dirt and not overheat. The rule of thumb is it takes 2.2 times as much alcohol to make the energy of gas. Hope you have a big tank and plot your course to be sure you can get the E85 on your route.
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