84 GL1200 Clutch drags - Steve Saunders Goldwing Forums

 11Likes
Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 46 (permalink) Old 06-17-2016, 09:38 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
dhall79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Nebraska
Year: 1984
Make: Honda
Model: Aspencade
Posts: 43
Garage
Post 84 GL1200 Clutch drags

Recently got my first bike. My father in law gifted me his 84 Aspy. Its been sitting a while so it needed a little tlc. First bike, but I have a few ATVs so the maintenance is similar. Anyway, I noticed a bit of clutch drag and instantly thought that an oil change was due. Changed the oil with Valvoline 10w40 MC oil for wet clutch engines. Rode the bike to work. All was well on the way there, but the trip home I experienced a lot of clutch drag. Bike would lurch forward and rpm would drop a few hundred rpm. Shifting while driving was near impossible. Decided to tackle bleeding the clutch. Found out that is a pain on a wing. Long story short, I still have clutch drag.



Here are a few things that I think could be the causes.

1. Maybe I dont have the clutch bled properly.
a. I bled the clutch per instructions Ive received on the forum. Lever feels pretty good.

2. Warped clutch plates.
a. Wouldnt the clutch judder if the plates were warped.

3. Make better oil choices.
a. I bought the cheapest oil I could find figuring I would change again soon. (Valvoline conv. oil). I also noticed the clutch dragging one ride after the oil change.

4. Maybe rebuild master and slave cylinders.



Oils Im considering in order of my personal preference.

1. Kawasaki 10w40 Full synthetic JASO MA2 cert. I have a family member that works at Kawasaki and gets me this oil on the cheap. I run this oil in all my atvs.

2. Mobile 1 synthetic $10 at local store

3. Honda GN4 $10 at local bike dealer

Is there another oil that I should be considering?
dhall79 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 46 (permalink) Old 06-17-2016, 10:10 PM
Senior Member
 
Cornpone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Minnesota
Model: 1995 GL1500 Aspencade, 1985 GL1200 Aspencade, 1983 GL1100 Standard with Vetter Windjammer fairing.
Posts: 903
You'll see the term "clutch flushing" used often here; refers to not just draining out the old Dot4 clutch fluid, replacing with fresh, but rather repeated a few times to get sediment dislodged and flushed out of the clutch. I use Amsoil 10W-40 in my Wings, but lots of folks like Mobil 1. Again, cleaning is as important as the type of lubricant. Before changing oil I always run about 1/2 can of Seafoam in the engine for 100-200 miles (doesn't have to be continuous) to clean crud off the crankcase, clutch disks, etc. The difference in the look and feel of the oil before and after this treatment is amazing, and the bikes really seem to enjoy it.
Cornpone is offline  
post #3 of 46 (permalink) Old 06-17-2016, 10:17 PM
Junior Grue
 
Ken Bergen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada
Model: 1984 Interstate "Canadian"
Posts: 8,141
You say the clutch lever feels good but you don't say where in the lever pull the engagement point is.

Advise given here is free and comes with no warranty "Caveat emptor"

Ken.
Ken Bergen is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 46 (permalink) Old 06-17-2016, 10:23 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
dhall79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Nebraska
Year: 1984
Make: Honda
Model: Aspencade
Posts: 43
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cornpone View Post
You'll see the term "clutch flushing" used often here; refers to not just draining out the old Dot4 clutch fluid, replacing with fresh, but rather repeated a few times to get sediment dislodged and flushed out of the clutch. I use Amsoil 10W-40 in my Wings, but lots of folks like Mobil 1. Again, cleaning is as important as the type of lubricant. Before changing oil I always run about 1/2 can of Seafoam in the engine for 100-200 miles (doesn't have to be continuous) to clean crud off the crankcase, clutch disks, etc. The difference in the look and feel of the oil before and after this treatment is amazing, and the bikes really seem to enjoy it.
Ive used Seafoam in my vehicles before and liked the results. I would have no issues with adding some to the gas and crank case, but with the clutch dragging to the point of no being able to shift, I wont be putting any miles on the bike.

In learning to properly bleed the clutch system on these bikes, I believe that I have effectively flushed the system. All clear and clean fluid coming out the slave bleeder screw.
dhall79 is offline  
post #5 of 46 (permalink) Old 06-17-2016, 10:32 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
dhall79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Nebraska
Year: 1984
Make: Honda
Model: Aspencade
Posts: 43
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Bergen View Post
You say the clutch lever feels good but you don't say where in the lever pull the engagement point is.
I have not measured, but there seems to be a bit of movement in the lever from being fully pulled in, till the bike starts getting power to the rear wheel while releasing the lever. But I cannot be completely sure till tomorrow.
dhall79 is offline  
post #6 of 46 (permalink) Old 06-17-2016, 10:46 PM
Junior Grue
 
Ken Bergen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada
Model: 1984 Interstate "Canadian"
Posts: 8,141
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhall79 View Post
I have not measured, but there seems to be a bit of movement in the lever from being fully pulled in, till the bike starts getting power to the rear wheel while releasing the lever. But I cannot be completely sure till tomorrow.
The brass bushing in your lever is likely worn through.
About $10 from your Honda dealer.
As that bushing was used in every Goldwing 1984 and newer your dealer should have one or nine in stock.
Part# 22885-MB0-006
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Clutch-bushing.jpg (7.1 KB, 10 views)
Cornpone likes this.

Advise given here is free and comes with no warranty "Caveat emptor"

Ken.
Ken Bergen is online now  
post #7 of 46 (permalink) Old 06-17-2016, 10:58 PM
Junior Grue
 
Ken Bergen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada
Model: 1984 Interstate "Canadian"
Posts: 8,141
Oops I forgot to say that the clutch engagement point should be with the lever almost fully released.

Advise given here is free and comes with no warranty "Caveat emptor"

Ken.
Ken Bergen is online now  
post #8 of 46 (permalink) Old 06-17-2016, 11:37 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
dhall79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Nebraska
Year: 1984
Make: Honda
Model: Aspencade
Posts: 43
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Bergen View Post
The brass bushing in your lever is likely worn through.
About $10 from your Honda dealer.
As that bushing was used in every Goldwing 1984 and newer your dealer should have one or nine in stock.
Part# 22885-MB0-006
That is very helpful. Generally, when I am unsure of what to do next, I go for the cheapest or easiest thing to do. "Low hanging fruit."


1. Lever bushing $10
a. Makes a lot of sense with a bike of this age. 75,000 miles. I plan on inspecting this tomorrow.

2. Change oil. Probably going to Mobil 1 as Im out of the Kawi oil for now. $40

3. Rebuild master and slave cylinders $50. Should I be avoiding the cheap rebuild kits on ebay?

4. Replace clutch fibers and discs $??? Is there a preferred brand to buy? OEM, EBC? Again, should I be avoiding the cheap rebuild kits on ebay?
dhall79 is offline  
post #9 of 46 (permalink) Old 06-18-2016, 12:31 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Green Bay, Wisconsin, USA
Year: 1999
Make: GL1500 SE
Posts: 5,487
There should be virtually no free play when pulling the clutch in, The second you start to pull the lever you should feel resistance and the same resistance should be there all the way to squeezed fully. Also you should NOT be able to push the lever forward when released.

Mike

Worked on the "big rigs" for 45 years now just riding my Wing whenever I can. Gets cold in Wisconsin.
redwing52 is offline  
post #10 of 46 (permalink) Old 06-18-2016, 07:20 AM
Senior Member
 
Bellboy40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brewton, Alabama, USA
Year: 2000 & 1994
Model: 2000 GL1500SE Candy Spectra Red, 1994 GL1500SE Pearl Bermuda Green
Posts: 3,257
Something no one else has mentioned yet. There is a very small hole in the bottom of the clutch master cylinder that can get clogged up. Since your bike has been sitting for a while it might be partially stopped up. If that hole is not open the clutch fluid cannot get back into the master cylinder and will cause it to drag. In some bikes it will be under a small metal cover. It would be a good idea to check that.

Larry

Only two things are infinite... the universe and human stupidity; and I am not sure about the former.
-- Albert Einstein

Bellboy40 is offline  
Closed Thread

  Steve Saunders Goldwing Forums > Forums > Goldwing Technical Forum

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Steve Saunders Goldwing Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Oldboy's Video DRAGS Oldboy General Motorcycle Discussion Forum 7 10-27-2009 01:37 AM
'98 SE slows/drags down while riding louieg Goldwing Technical Forum 5 12-09-2008 08:50 AM
Eagle Drags Goat off Cliff Putt N along Miscellaneous Forum 4 04-29-2008 06:29 PM
Starter drags when hot DocWagon Goldwing Technical Forum 1 08-08-2007 07:25 PM
Starter Drags jar Goldwing Technical Forum 4 02-04-2007 09:01 PM

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome