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post #51 of 61 (permalink) Old 07-26-2016, 08:32 AM
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FYI Mr. DBohrer the whit / blue wire never changes from idle to 5 grans on tack,

Its not supposed to change with various RPM ranges........!

I move the lever to reverse then it goes to bat voltage.

That is what it is supposed to do..........!
ooops I mis read your prior reply on this wire. Sorry I was hot and tired.

Off to look for the bad ground cluster on left side. Ill report back when I know more.

Thanks again everyone for helping this far

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1990 GL 1500 just got her 3/8/16
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1982 KZ 1100 may have put 10000 miles on it in 10 years
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Honda CB400 Drove from Chicago to Tulsa Ok in 1984
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post #52 of 61 (permalink) Old 07-26-2016, 03:06 PM
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It seems that I found the problem.... I have tested the forward and the reverse along with the radio and all seem to be working now, but I have to put all the plastic back on.

I find this hard to believe but the problem was the PO installed a toggle switch, powered it from the accessory port at fuse block, this power wire has been chafing and got to the point that with key on it was sending 2.7 v into the frame of the bike. Removed the pinched wire and all seems to work now correctly.

The part that puzzles me the most is why did the fuse not blow, and why did everything seem to work fine with it in neutral???

Oh well after I do a few things with the plastic off, I'll get her back together and I'll edit this post saying its all good. (Hopefully)

thanks again for all your help

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1990 GL 1500 just got her 3/8/16
1986 GL1200A Aspencade, from 6/1/12 to 3/1/2016 have rode over 28,000 miles on her.
1982 KZ 1100 may have put 10000 miles on it in 10 years
Multiple Yamaha XS 750 & XS 850 One had a vetter fairing, bags and trunk
Honda CB400 Drove from Chicago to Tulsa Ok in 1984
Honda CB250 Enduro loved it from street to dirt and back again all the time.
YZ 250 never raced but rode alot, First bike ever was a mini bike with a Brigs engine.
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Where was the toggle switch? ECU or side stand?
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Ground points are different when in gear compared to neutral. Just a thought. I will defer to a GURU.
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I find this hard to believe but the problem was the PO installed a toggle switch, powered it from the accessory port at fuse block, this power wire has been chafing and got to the point that with key on it was sending 2.7 v into the frame of the bike. Removed the pinched wire and all seems to work now correctly.
All voltage ends at the frame, ultimately the battery ground terminal, I'm betting that doesn't fix it, maybe defers it a little while. Did you ever check that ground gang connector?
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Unplug the side stand switch, bike side plug, Green 2.7 v using power probe, Green / white .7 v plugged in side stand down same as unplugged, side stand up 2.7 v moves to green whit wire. throughout the bike
With everything electrically connected (as factory wired)
Side stand Up
Reverse lever set for forward drive
I have 2.7v using power probe at
green/whit wire everywhere, (side stand plug, clutch micro switch, ecm, and 22 pin red connector.

Now one more interesting thing Green wire at bike side of side stand switch has a great ground signal with key off, turn key on and it switches to 2.7v
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As Dave said and I agree, you did not find the issue. You very well might have moved something and made a contact for now. That is my best guess. I am confident you did not find the root cause. You could short 12 volts directly to the frame and the green will still read zero volts if all is well. . You should never have power on a ground wire. If you do there is a problem. You HAD an open in that green wire somewhere from the test point to the frame/negative battery.

Your logic of the 2.7 volts power to the frame won't work. If that was the case you would only have a short to ground. It is hard to say when/if the issue will return. I hope it never does but I would say it is more likely you will be back looking at the gang connector than not.
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All voltage ends at the frame, ultimately the battery ground terminal, I'm betting that doesn't fix it, maybe defers it a little while. Did you ever check that ground gang connector?
Yes I did open up both right and left ground clusters from inside the wire harnis, I took the caps off and pulled out the jumper pins for a good hard inspection that are great looking no melting no sign of hot spots at all, I plan to put some dielectric grease on the jumpers before I re-tape them into the harnises.

I agree with you and redwing52 that the problem may not be fixed. what I do know is the toggle switch is for fog lights and is installed on the left side where (i think a CB would go). This power lead was pinched hard between air box and frame, some how, (I can put up the pics i took if you want) I had key on, in first gear, engine not running (radio was in mute as described above that's one of the problems i had) as soon as I pulled the wire out from between the frame and the air box my radio came off mute, when I ran the test from green to ground and then green/whit to ground everywhere it had ground.

With my automotive knowledge and with 15 years d/c electrical repair experience, I had already planed to remove the air box and do more inspecting before I reassemble the bike, but as I said "it seems like its fixed"

Dave, redwing52, DBohrer, (and others I failed to name) have so much more knowledge about these machines then I do and I totally respect your advice, and with what you just told me I'll be looking very hard for a problem ground wire near and around where this power lead was pinched!

Thanks again

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1986 GL1200A Aspencade, from 6/1/12 to 3/1/2016 have rode over 28,000 miles on her.
1982 KZ 1100 may have put 10000 miles on it in 10 years
Multiple Yamaha XS 750 & XS 850 One had a vetter fairing, bags and trunk
Honda CB400 Drove from Chicago to Tulsa Ok in 1984
Honda CB250 Enduro loved it from street to dirt and back again all the time.
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I did remove the air box (and what a pain in the but that job is )and I spent a lot of time looking and testing and tracing and investigating but without a way to go back in time or into the future, I can only pray that the problem is solved by rewirering the toggle switch.

I 100% agree that the problem may not be solved and may return but for now the bike is back together and I'm ridding again.

From the first time the bike acted up until it left me on the side of the road was only about 10 miles. I have now road the bike about 100 miles after fixing the wire I found so I'll just keep my fingers crossed that it is yet a nether problem solved with the help of a bunch of great guys!

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1986 GL1200A Aspencade, from 6/1/12 to 3/1/2016 have rode over 28,000 miles on her.
1982 KZ 1100 may have put 10000 miles on it in 10 years
Multiple Yamaha XS 750 & XS 850 One had a vetter fairing, bags and trunk
Honda CB400 Drove from Chicago to Tulsa Ok in 1984
Honda CB250 Enduro loved it from street to dirt and back again all the time.
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Do yourself a favor and check & clean the main ground G100.
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I did remove the air box (and what a pain in the but that job is )and I spent a lot of time looking and testing and tracing and investigating but without a way to go back in time or into the future, I can only pray that the problem is solved by rewirering the toggle switch.

I 100% agree that the problem may not be solved and may return but for now the bike is back together and I'm ridding again.

From the first time the bike acted up until it left me on the side of the road was only about 10 miles. I have now road the bike about 100 miles after fixing the wire I found so I'll just keep my fingers crossed that it is yet a nether problem solved with the help of a bunch of great guys!

Thanks averyone
Nothing worse than an intermittent problem. It can sometimes be permanently fixed just by moving a wire or contact slightly. I think if it were me I would do exactly as you have. Get in there and rut a round. Move some things hoping it fixes it permanently or wiggle it loose again so it can be found.
If you want some insurance you might do this. There is no doubt you had a poor ground when you measured 2.7 volts on the ground. There is no doubt that the engine would shut off in gear with out that ground. So, why not find a place where it would be possible to access easily and have a ground jumper wire at the ready. Remember you want to be close to the ECU to insure you are after the break of course. Now if the bike acts up install the jumper and finish your trip. Just be extra careful the sidestand is up. Besides, Murphy's Law pretty much guarantees that if you build the jumper you should never need it. How ever if you don't!!!

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