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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 10-17-2017, 11:19 AM Thread Starter
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Battery grounding issue

Hello! Recent owner of a 1986 Aspencade here - completely stock. I was going doing the highway and the bike completely cut out on me, like I turned off the key. I tried restarting it, and the starter barely turned, not nearly enough to start the engine. I waited a few minutes and tried starting it again, and I got a bit more power out of the starter, but still not enough. Towed home, and then it started.

I'm aware of the common stator issue on these bikes, but I don't think that's it. I was talking to one of my friends (electrical engineer), and he guessed the battery wasn't grounding somewhere, which is why waiting and letting it regain a surface charge did the trick. It starts and rides fine now, but I hesitate to take it further than around the block since I don't have an easy way of towing it. I haven't had a chance to do anything with it yet - what do you guys think? I'm familiar with motorcycles, but not as much ones with all the electrics like a Goldwing has. The battery is a year old.

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It should not have just "cut out" or died going down the road if a batt gnd issue ... but checking grounds never hurts.

Just a thought here!

Check plug to rear of battery on top of start solenoid to be sure it's secure. Stock, all electrical power to run bike once started flows through there except that actually used by the starter motor .... big wires .... Honda later sold a new plug kit that added an "in harness link" to jump that plug in effect once running.


Below is a diagram of changes ..... the "link" in blue was the change or addition. Red / white wires from reg / rectifier (alt stator) and batt is obvious, as you can see without the added blue "link wire", all power to run bik via solid red wire flows through that connector.


I updated my '85 Aspencade in 1998 as noted.
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I think CrystalPistol is in the right area though.
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You may have more than 1 issue. It did not die because of a bad ground, best guess is the pulse generators and the starter probably needs at least cleaned and maybe new brushes.
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Check that dogbone fuse. They develop cracks that under temperature, tend to spread.

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I'd do what Wilmo said first. And then ( because I had exactly the same problem you are describing a few weeks ago) I'd clean the positive terminal and wire connection. I know it sounds too simple, but fixing a bad dogbone fuse connection and that positive lead corrosion is what fixed a broke down on the road total electrical failure on both of my 85 1200 LTD's within weeks of each other. And same deal on my 79 1000 a couple of years ago.
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Wouldn't hurt to check charging system, if your battery has a good charge you should see 13.5 - 14.5 volts at the battery with engine at 4K RPM.

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Check that dogbone fuse. They develop cracks that under temperature, tend to spread.
On the 1200s, if all else is well, once the bike is started and running, that dogbone fuse failing will not cause it to then die. It will prevent a restart using the starter.


If his just died like if he had killed it at a stoplight, then it would not be able to restart .... but doesn't read like it?

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On the 1200s, if all else is well, once the bike is started and running, that dogbone fuse failing will not cause it to then die. It will prevent a restart using the starter.


If his just died like if he had killed it at a stoplight, then it would not be able to restart .... but doesn't read like it?
Agreed, he was running off the battery and when it got to low the ignition died.

He has to find out why the battery wasn't being charged which brings us back to the Red/White wire.
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I'm wondering iif the charging system is not the issue. Seeing the battery is fairly new I too will theorize that the bike sat until the "surface charge" was just enough to go again. I would put a voltmeter on the bike and hold the throttle at a high idle. Is voltage trending up or down and what are the readings? Post back for more help.
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