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Yes, 12 volts at all the lugs. The ground on the engine was cleaned but no real corrosion.
I inadvertently pushed the RVS switch while watching the meters nothing happens with it either. Just saying I thought the reverse mechanism would switch positions maybe it has to be running. I had to install a new cable on it a few years ago and I thought it would move without the bike running. Not sure.

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the engine must be running, the tranny in neutral, and the sidestand UP.

mine is a 2002, same bike as yours. 2001-2005 are the same.



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post #32 of 47 (permalink) Old 03-28-2019, 05:52 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you both and particularly Redwing looks like I'll have to pull the shelter and tank to access the starter. As I proceed I keep things updated. As far as the service manual goes sometimes they go way around the barn if you know what I mean.

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BriOne last ditch thing to check. It is not uncommon for a cable connection to insulate itself from the stud. What I am saying is if you test for voltage on the stud itself you can have good power. Move the test probe 1/16" and touch the connector on the big cable and it has no voltage. Might test for voltage at the stud again and the touch the end of the cable connector to be sure there is power there. Not likely the issue if you took the solenoids off to check them. Jus taking them off and reinstalling will make a connection if you did not have one. You understand that you have power almost all the way you need. You just need to get the power that you found on solenoid B to the starter. If the starter is good and has a ground it will go. Your almost there. Hang in there just a little longer.

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Sounds like something to try tomorrow, it doesn't look like a huge job to remove the tank but I will have to drain it. I've removed the shelter before for filter changes just time-consuming.
Thanks for everything so far.

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the engine must be running, the tranny in neutral, and the sidestand UP.

mine is a 2002, same bike as yours. 2001-2005 are the same.
My 2010 will go into reverse without the engine running or the sidestand up, of course it won't actually move without the engine running. I can't see any difference in the schematics but may be something different in the control units.

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Well, so far I've drained the fuel tank and removed it, not as hard as it looks. Removed the starter and it works from a battery charger on boost draws about 25 amps and that sounds right. Removing the starter I think I made up new words what a pain.
There is continuity between the B solenoid and the end of the cable.
Tighten all the hose clamps, only 1 was somewhat loose.
I believe next I'm going to install the battery, shelter, plug in what connectors I need to see if will run the starter without being installed.
Unless someone says its a NO NO.

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Just an update I reinstalled the battery with the button pushed I'm getting 12.7 volts on the cable end. So I hooked up the starter with an external ground and it spins.
I didn't run an amp test this time.
Could it be with being attached for 16 years it lost its ground through the case?
I should have tested for ground before I pulled it.
So maybe reinstall and try it again?

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Just an update I reinstalled the battery with the button pushed I'm getting 12.7 volts on the cable end. So I hooked up the starter with an external ground and it spins.
I didn't run an amp test this time.
Could it be with being attached for 16 years it lost its ground through the case?
I should have tested for ground before I pulled it.
So maybe reinstall and try it again?
What you should have done is test it with the starter installed. It doesn't tell you much with it removed.

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Just an update I reinstalled the battery with the button pushed I'm getting 12.7 volts on the cable end. So I hooked up the starter with an external ground and it spins.
I didn't run an amp test this time.
Could it be with being attached for 16 years it lost its ground through the case?
I should have tested for ground before I pulled it.
So maybe reinstall and try it again?
That sound like the ground is bad. It is common to forget you not only need 12 volts but you also need a ground. Back at post #30 Dave mentioned the ground under the fuel tank should be cleaned plus clean at the engine and battery. If I remember right you are not the first to have an issue with the engine ground on a GL1800.
Put the starter back on. This test might sound strange but di it anyway. If the starter still does not spin take your voltmeter. Pur one probe on the case of the starter anywhere. Make sure you get contact through the paint to the steel. Now put the other probe on the battery negative post and hit the start button. If the voltmeter reads 12 volts you definitely have a bad ground.

EDIT: Wish you would have checked back as soon as you saw 12 volts on the cable. The Guys could have saved you some work and headaches. The bike has two main sources/locations for grounding. You already found one of them on the right side of the engine. That should be brushed clean and reinstall the bolt with locktite. The largest ground connection with multiple wires connected to it is located under the gas tank. Yep, you have to remove the gas tank to access these. Once you do these two locations, you have done a good ground service maintenance to your bike. It is also a good idea to run another ground from the side location to the one under the gas tank. This enhances the grounding of the complete bikes electrical system.

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Just an update I reinstalled the battery with the button pushed I'm getting 12.7 volts on the cable end. So I hooked up the starter with an external ground and it spins.
I didn't run an amp test this time.
Could it be with being attached for 16 years it lost its ground through the case?
I should have tested for ground before I pulled it.
So maybe reinstall and try it again?
The entire engine has a poor or no ground. The starter is bolted to the engine so it too has no ground.

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