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Rear brake failure

The bike was two up ,loaded with long trip stuff.
In getting to the Dragon from the Tennessee side I used the brakes quite a bit.
We were 3/4 thru the Dragon when the rear brakes got next to useless.
The aggressive ride became a Sunday driver ride, as I had only front brakes.
After about an hour at the bottom of the hill I checked the brake pedal again and I had the pressure back.

The failure most likely was caused by the high temperature of the brake fluid.
Last time the fluid was changed was about 4 years ago and I used fluid supplied by a motorcycle dealer.
Should I change the fluid in the system ?. What type?
Is it normal for the brakes to fail due to excessive usage?
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but I suspect you were not running in a low enough gear to help the brakes.

You need to get used to running the engine at higher RPMs so that it can be used as the brake. I rarely use the brakes on tight twisties.... I run in 3rd or 2nd gear most of the time.

I have on one occasion used 1st gear to hold back my bike and trailer so that I was not riding the brakes.
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Just an opinion here. Why would anyone ride "agressive" enough to cause brake fade? Especially in an area the speed limit is 30mph! Very dangerous to yourself and other riders.
You're are very fortunate you are still alive!
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Just an opinion here. Why would anyone ride "agressive" enough to cause brake fade? Especially in an area the speed limit is 30mph! Very dangerous to yourself and other riders.
You're are very fortunate you are still alive!
On most mountain and twisty roads I doubt if anyone does the speed limit, isn't that why you ride that type of road./
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On most mountain and twisty roads I doubt if anyone does the speed limit, isn't that why you ride that type of road./

Tell that to the LEO when he pulls you over. Then prepare to lighten your bank account.....!!

I seem to remember there have been a few fatalities on the Dragon. Can you say rider error.....??
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but I suspect you were not running in a low enough gear to help the brakes.

You need to get used to running the engine at higher RPMs so that it can be used as the brake. I rarely use the brakes on tight twisties.... I run in 3rd or 2nd gear most of the time.

I have on one occasion used 1st gear to hold back my bike and trailer so that I was not riding the brakes.
Some folks probably don't understand "engine braking".....!!
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Darn it I asked for advise and get criticized. Get a life OLD MEN.Period.
John , I ride mostly in 3rd gear in the twists But even with engine brake WHICH I UNDERSTAND you still have to use the brake to slow from 35-40 MPH to 10-15MPH in a short distance for a sharp turn.

And to all others once again get a life and leave mine alone. Ride like and old man you are on Sunday morning to church.
"Lucky to be alive" . Breaks when overheat don't fail suddenly and totally. Its a gradual thing and I had advanced warnings that's why I went the rest of the way the way you ride everyday
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Darn it I asked for advise and get criticized. Get a life OLD MEN.Period.
John , I ride mostly in 3rd gear in the twists But even with engine brake WHICH I UNDERSTAND you still have to use the brake to slow from 35-40 MPH to 10-15MPH in a short distance for a sharp turn.

And to all others once again get a life and leave mine alone. Ride like and old man you are on Sunday morning to church.
"Lucky to be alive" . Breaks when overheat don't fail suddenly and totally. Its a gradual thing and I had advanced warnings that's why I went the rest of the way the way you ride everyday
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That can be wrong. My friend had a beautiful 1956 Chev drag car. Made a run and had good brakes at 150 MPH. Drove back to the pit at 20 MPH and ran in the back of his trailer. No brakes. He had water (moisture in the fluid. So to answer your question about changing the fluid that would be a yes. Whet you describe is exactly what brakes will do when there is moisture present in the fluid. Of course you can't compress a liquid. Try to put a cup and a half of water in one cup. Now when the fluid boils it becomes a gas. That you can compress and then you have less or no brakes according to how much boils. Cols back down and condenses back to a liquid ann all is good. Of course mechanical failures can also cause immediate brake failure.
As for your driving style I think you are intelligent and know your own limits and risks. If it only yourself at risk it is your choice.

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Well maybe that was a poor choice of words on my side. instead of "aggressive ride" I should have used "spirited ride " . After all Im not Giacomo Agostini

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And to all others once again get a life and leave mine alone. Ride like and old man you are on Sunday morning to church.
My thoughts exactly. Ride your ride and leave me to mine.
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