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OHP is using more and more of the Tactical Manuevers Intervention methods




The story goes on a bit more than I have here:


http://www.newson6.com/story/3112381...uring-pursuits

TULSA, Oklahoma - Tuesday morning, after a chase during rush hour, Tulsa police said they caught a suspected truck thief who got out of prison only about a month ago.
The Oklahoma Highway Patrol used a tactical maneuver to stop him. Troopers say they know when to use the tool to stop a dangerous pursuit, but also when to pull back from a chase.
There have been a few more chases than normal lately. Troopers say that's a coincidence because it's not something they want to do, but something they have to do to keep the public safe.

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What I am noticing in all of the local news story of stolen vehicles, one of which occurred around 9 AM today, was the owner left the truck running at a QT, went inside and the opportunist jumped in the truck and fled...

the truck was equipped with Onstar GPS and the owner did a 911...
OHP caught the guy and handcuffed him within 5 minutes.

The guy had just gotten out of prison??
Unbelievable..... What are they thinking?

That scenario is being repeated here in Tulsa almost everyday...
Vehicle gets hijacked, or just stolen and caught, and the guy has a record and is usually on parole.

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its cold outside!! walking down the street and they see a target of opportunity,, jump in and take the car down to the bus stop.. dump it!
Leaving your car running when its cold is bad for it,, AND a giant FREE Loaner car sign to the thief!

Some of them only know how to live in jail. Outside they look for a way to get back to the known. Get out- party it up- go back to your family inside

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Its not a successful PIT unless the van rolls 7 times (sarcasm... based on real life daily tv coverage of such events)
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I did not mention that over half of the chases have ended with the stolen vehicle rammed into a tree, bridge abutment, or rolled over in a ditch, or went off the side ramp too fast and hit the river below.

right here in River City USA Oologah, a car was stopped for a simple tail light out.
Officer K9 was following our brand new trainee Policeman who owned the dog. K9 Officer sits down, nose to the trunk, and barks once....

The guy in the car floorboards the throttle and the chase is on...

The driver refuses to stop, runs folks off the road, avoids a couple of tack strips, shoots the original patrol officer in the head ( he lived ), takes some pot shots at OHP, Sheriff officers, and a SWAT team.....

the driver them complains of bad treatment on the way to jail and demands he go to the hospital.... somehow that never happens.... by the time he lands in jail, a warrant shows up from California..... they want him very bad, enough so, that a deal is worked out to let California pay for his room and board for the rest of eternity...

he is off the streets, and our local Police Officer who was shot is satisfied, says the guy is up the river, and Oklahoma don't have to pay the bills.

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the driver them complains of bad treatment on the way to jail and demands he go to the hospital.... .
That is pure stupidity. Up here in KC, We had a gun store robbery about 1 year ago. A husband/wife owned place. Condensed version...3 guys came in to rob the place. Husband pulls out his weapon, hits a couple of them I think. One of the three shoots and kills the husband. The 3 were caught and going through trial right now. One of them is claiming self defense from the husband for his murder charge. Idiot.
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We are getting some similar stories here in the Tulsa area...

the shyster ground feeding lawyers contriving all sorts of legal mumbo jumbo to earn their 25 cents/inmate...

I just modified the title of the thread: added on the words " Intervention methods" because I read a news story here that wanted to Define what OHP is doing, and their technical term for it... so, to be "all correct", I modified my title


there is a story running in the media about a recent event where 3 thugs holding guns go into a mom and pop convenience store, both are elderly seniors... pistol whip mom at the register, one pushes pop into the freezer with a gun at his back demanding "the rest of the cash"

pop reaches for "the cash" and pulls out his CCW and puts a hole in the thug's belly who then runs outside and collapses on the sidewalk... good riddance.

http://www.guns.com/2016/01/29/man-f...e-at-gunpoint/

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That PIT (pursuit Intervention Technique) has a limited life remaining. It was a great way to end a slower pursuit, but is technically the application of 'deadly force' at higher speeds.

All cars since 2012 are required to have on board ESC (Electronic Stability Control - called different things by different manufacturers) and it has been on some vehicles, mainly SUV types, since 2008. ESC on current vehicles is so good that it can defeat a PIT attempt at speeds considered the application of deadly force. PIT speeds below 30 mph are great. They tested and found that a VW Jetta had to be at speeds of 52 mph to be successfully PIT'ed, and one other car (they used seized vehicles) was just under that. And there are issues with the vehicle doing the PIT trying to 'correct' the 'problem'.

I could give a more detailed explanation, but you get the idea.

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Well, come to NJ, guns, drugs, theft are illegal so never happens around here. It is heaven in here and all works like DEER Alert
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124 probably wanted to pit him, and then asked for permission to do it, which means a SS somewhere said he could. I'm guessing they wanted the vehicle to slow itself down beyond the control of driver input.
Once that vehicle looses traction, the accelerator goes into a intermittent function mode.
If he (124) was really good at it, and could've held the pit on him, they may have been able to box him.
...a definite longshot.
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