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My daughter is an engineer for a large oil and air filter OEM (they make them for new cars of all makes and the filters those companies sell under their own name. Her company got joined with Fram and she was one of the people sent to try to get the Fram ISO numbers up. The horror stories about what Fram was doing made her about puke. Things like using brown bag paper for filter material, end caps that were not bonded to the filter agent, the filter material about 2/3 of the length it should be, filter bypass valves that bypassed to oil shortly after filter was installed. they worked on getting their quality up but Fram would not do it. Fram being tied to them meant that it pulled down their ISO rating which stratospheric. The guy who owned both of them figured out he had better separate them. There was great joy when that happen. Banners, flags and pride in their plant. So now they are striving to get their ISO rating back up into the stratosphere

If you want long life for your bike DO NOT USE A FRAM FILTER. Buy a Fram and maybe a WIX from NAPA and saw the filters apart. the condstruction will make even a novice rider never want to buy a FRAM.

My daughter is an engineer for a large oil and air filter OEM (they make them for new cars of all makes and the filters those companies sell under their own name. Her company got joined with Fram and she was one of the people sent to try to get the Fram ISO numbers up. The horror stories about what Fram was doing made her about puke. Things like using brown bag paper for filter material, end caps that were not bonded to the filter agent, the filter material about 2/3 of the length it should be, filter bypass valves that bypassed to oil shortly after filter was installed. they worked on getting their quality up but Fram would not do it. Fram being tied to them meant that it pulled down their ISO rating which stratospheric. The guy who owned both of them figured out he had better separate them. There was great joy when that happen. Banners, flags and pride in their plant. So now they are striving to get their ISO rating back up into the stratosphere

If you want long life for your bike DO NOT USE A FRAM FILTER. Buy a Fram and maybe a WIX from NAPA and saw the filters apart. the construction will make even a novice rider never want to buy a FRAM. google them.

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so the long ago stories about Fram, are still in effect and very much true?

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WOW. Makes one wonder if there has ever been a catastrophic failure from using FRAM filters?

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WOW. Makes one wonder if there has ever been a catastrophic failure from using FRAM filters?

Yes, I have seen it in Honda cars, who I worked for for a very long time. The lower end will survive it but the cams won't. I have seen pictures of Fram filters cut open and compared to other brands and what monkeytrucker says is true.
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Yes, I have seen it in Honda cars, who I worked for for a very long time. The lower end will survive it but the cams won't. I have seen pictures of Fram filters cut open and compared to other brands and what monkeytrucker says is true.
I have worked for Honda going on 10 years. And we see cam replacement on Honda's a lot from people doing their own oil service using FRAM as it the cheapest to buy.
Sometime do not blame people for wanting to do their own work, but dang at least buy quality stuff to do it.
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Glad I saw this post, getting ready to change my oil and I believe I have a Fram oil filter sitting there for it. If so I am going to go pick up a different one
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I always used OEM Honda filters for the Wing's oil change.
I'd expect something like that from products being made in China.


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I have worked for Honda going on 10 years. And we see cam replacement on Honda's a lot from people doing their own oil service using FRAM as it the cheapest to buy.
Sometime do not blame people for wanting to do their own work, but dang at least buy quality stuff to do it.

Bet you see some VTEC problems from them too.

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the Honda dealer is too far for me to travel there,
so I get mine at NAPA Gold


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NAPA Gold 1358 this is the longer one and the one I buy.
Diameter is the same, the flats are the same, can use the same filter wrench tool.

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He said it twice, it must be true. Time to drop my Fram stock.

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