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don_berry 07-20-2006 07:30 PM

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having some problems so made an appt with the V.A. The clinic I go to is on a REAL small air force base, maybe 100 actual military there. Rode out on my bike, like I have done many times before, rolled up to the gate....they would not let me in.
It was 97 degrees out.
They said in order to get on I needed a long sleeve shirt and boots, I was wearing a short sleeve shirt and these waterproof slipons I wear as I can not wear boots....

Had to turn around and go home......

GLester 07-20-2006 07:52 PM

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Here on FT Hood where I work, you have to wear boots, longsleave shirt, gloves, reflective vest, helmet, and eye protection and also pants(not shorts). It is a DOD requirement for all the safety gear and you also have to have proof of the MSF course before they let you on post. And it was 105 here yesterday going home from work and I was on the 1100 yesterday. The 1500 is nicer to drive to work when it is hot, because it doesn't cook your legs like the 1100 does. I don't normally wear LS shirts, or gloves or the reflective vest when I don't have to go on post. But it's their rules and if you want to play, you have to follow their rules.:)


AZWinger 07-20-2006 08:17 PM

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I work on a military post and what GLestersaid is correct. I ridemy 1100 65 miles every day it isn't raining (so about 355 days a year) and it's been 114 on the way home for the past two weeks. I wear the full outfit on the way in but usually "forget" to put the long sleeve shirt on when I leave. Never been stopped yet. I guess the security/guards don't want to get out of their air conditioned vehicles to make me put it on! Or they think I'm nuts for riding in this kind of heat and just take pity on me.

This week it's been over 95 degrees when I leave the house for work at 0500. 32 miles later when I get to work I'm already hot and sweating! AND IT DOESN'T GET HOT UNTIL NEXT MONTH!

Your not alone don_berryand GLester! I bought a half helmet last summer and it helps a lot in the hot weather. I don't care for it though, I prefer my full-face flip up. All but three miles each way (in town) are on the open highway with speeds from 55-70. I have highwaypegs and use them as much as possible to keep the heat off my legs. If I didn't have them I would probably take the car this time of year!

Bob :11grey:

don_berry 07-20-2006 08:30 PM

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I hate driving in cars, hard to get in and out......I am taking my car from now on.

exavid 07-21-2006 01:11 AM

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I'll bet a mesh jacket would be cooler than a long sleeved shirt.

pidjones 07-21-2006 06:05 AM

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Don, you might get the doctor at the base to give you a chit permitting the shoes. They looked plenty safe to me. Too bad the VA clinic is on a base so you have to go through the DOD rules, since I think VA is separate. Might be a good excuse to ride through Knoxville up to Johnson City!:cool:

I noticed that the local Cycle Gear store carries the DOD vest. It looks built for combat!

dirt 07-21-2006 06:44 AM

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I hate the DOD rules also. The safety officer at Whiteman AFB, MO will not define what a long sleeve shirt of contrasting colors is or brightly colored. DOD rules state that during the days a long sleeve shirt and at night a reflective vest. As stated you must also have eye protection unless your windshield goes over the top of your head in a upright position. Long pants, full fingered motorcycle gloves, of which I wear the summer gloves which have holes in them to let your hands breathe easier. Shoes must cover the ankles and be made sturdy. Most of the time, it depends on who is working the gate if you are allowed in.

I went to Ft. Leonard wood over the Memorial day weekend and it was the first time there since 1961. Had no problem getting on the base. Done some shopping at the BX and went out and got on my bike. The key was placed in the ignition but not started. Along came the MP's and he asked me where my helmet was. At first I thought it was on but then realized it had been left at the cashiers counter. He informed me that if a person was sitting on the motorcycle even tho it was not running a helmet must be worn. At this point I came close to calling him and idiot.

Have been trying to contact the right people who can exempt retirees and civilians from wearing all this garbage. Informed the general on base that if this old man is ever in a accident on his base that I would sue since all the garbage being required to wear was to have stopped me from having a wreck. Retirees and civilian workers are not required to have a MSF course completed to ride on base. There are some exceptions to that and if it is the case then the instillation must pay for the course.

I better stop now before the old top is blown.


Timmus 07-21-2006 07:05 AM

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Well, like I've heard it said before, "An elephant is a mouse built to DOD standards" and it sounds like not much has changed since I was driving my bike on and off military reservations back in the 70's. They go so overboard on some stuff...I can understand being safe, but how safe are you when you pass out (or worse) from heat exhaustion trying to wear all the garb you need to wear to get in and out of a military base. Fortunately, where I was stationed (NAS Mirimar in San Diego) there was a pull off parking area just before you went through the gates and I would pull over there and dress up for the guards. All of us would do it in full view of the guard shack but technically we were off the base and there wasn't anything they could do about it....two could play their game:P

dirt 07-21-2006 07:37 AM

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:cooldevil:Timmus wrote:

. Fortunately, where I was stationed (NAS Mirimar in San Diego) there was a pull off parking area just before you went through the gates and I would pull over there and dress up for the guards. All of us would do it in full view of the guard shack but technically we were off the base and there wasn't anything they could do about it....two could play their game:P
There have been people whom I known including myself, who have pulled up to the gate, stopped, got off the bike, then put all the gear on. Reversed it going out the gate. Makes people unhappy but the rest of us are smiling from ear to ear.


don_berry 07-21-2006 08:47 AM

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I would take all the gear and put it on at the gate, but it is the boots that get me......maybe I could have the guards put them on for me :dude:

When I was in the Army, I was stationed in Germany and then came back to Kansas. I honestly hated being stationed in the States. Overseas, you did your job, worked hard, played hard.
In the States you worried about shoes looking good , clothes pressed just right etc. The actual job was secondary to all of the other bs.....

I reenlisted just to get out of there and back to Europe.

sorry, my rant for the day, I just do not believe a long sleeve shirt is going to help me much if I go down, nor the boots. Actually, if I go down, I am broken and there isn't a whole lot going to help me short of an ambulance.

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