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My friend was travelling on a smooth wet slippery road last week when the rear end of the bike decided to go everywhere he is a driving instructor and didnt manage to straighten the bike up, it went up on the ditch and down again then spun and threw him off thebike, it is nowfully toatled, he is bruised and sore and lucky. The same thing nearly happened tome on a very wet slippery road a few weeks ago.Our tyres are about 60% good since this happened i am afraid to drive in the rain, we run Dunlops at the moment and ihave a new set of STONES ordered.Just wondering has any one had these near misses.

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Sounds like good old fashion hydroplaning to me?? I did the hydroplaning dance way back 20 years ago and it took me a month before I would ride in the rain again. My tires were 1/2 tread (Dunlop 2's I believe"). All you can do is try to avoid the pooling water in the lane and slow it way down. That's my opinion anyway, but I am sure others know more.


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Have no clue what might have happened but I run Avons and they stick to the road like glue. Even when it's wet. Never felt the slightest instability on wet roads. But never pushed my luck either.

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A moment of forgetfulness is all that's needed for anything to happen.
There was no mention if itwasfreshrain.That wouldmake the road surface extra slippery with a film of oil on top of the water, until it gets washed off.

Another time I was going 5 MPH around a (4 lane to 4 lane) intersection after night-shift andI found myself literally THROWN to the pavement.
No one hit me, I hit nothing, the pavement was dry.
So I had to go back and see what it was. My shoes skidded, woah. . . GAS!
Tires on gasis just like ice, well actually worse. I can see ice, spilled gas is totally unexpected.

Glad that happenedwith my much smaller Honda. (1975-ish)


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I drive about half the season on wet roads and in my experience there are several factors causing a tire to slip on wet asphalt roads.

1. New asphalt, oil film.
2. Road crossing, intersections, sharp corners etc. Places where cars and trucks stop and go. This leaves tire rubber and sometimes oil and chemicals on the asphalt.
3. Near gas stations. Very often diesel from trucks and tractors which has overfilled or spilled some while tanking.
4. Hydroplaning.
5. Yellow stripes, footwalks and all other painted marks.

I'm sure there is more ...

If none of these factors are involved, we have to look at the tires and the tire makes. I've spoken to quite a few Goldwing riders recently, and they have all said that they don't want the Dunlops because these tires are particularly slippery when wet.
I'm sure there are different types of Dunlop and that they are not all alike.

Personally I find the Stones quite reliable on wet and slippery roads, but I have also experienced a slip or two with these.

Drive carefully and be extremely alert when driving on wet roads, that's my best advice.

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Hi,,I ride all year round ,and have Bridgestones on front and back,,She gets a good thrashing when iam out on my own and ive never had a problem,,,every one ive ever talked to,over here that has run Dunlops on there wings ,either changes to Avons or Bridgestones,,,all the best pp

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One thing, I haven't seen mentioned, after a couple of dry days and it starts ti rain. When you start seeing tire tracks, in the road, this is the most slick time. The is a film that develops, over a period of time. MO, it is a mix of oil and rubber particle residue (from tires). Until the rain washes this off, it is very slick. I hate that light - misting - rain. It don't wash the road off, just makes it very slick.

With that said, I agree with the Avons - mine stick like glue. I am still very careful. I'll let it rain for an hour or so, just to wash off that film.

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A moment of forgetfulness is all that's needed for anything to happen.
There was no mention if itwasfreshrain.That wouldmake the road surface extra slippery with a film of oil on top of the water, until it gets washed off.

Another time I was going 5 MPH around a (4 lane to 4 lane) intersection after night-shift andI found myself literally THROWN to the pavement.
No one hit me, I hit nothing, the pavement was dry.
So I had to go back and see what it was. My shoes skidded, woah. . . GAS!
Tires on gasis just like ice, well actually worse. I can see ice, spilled gas is totally unexpected.

Glad that happenedwith my much smaller Honda. (1975-ish)


And with fall coming soon, watch out for leaves on top of leaves.

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I've run Metzler ME880's, Avon Cobras , Bridgestone's , Dunlop E3's, and of course the stock Dunlop's. The worst for traction in wet conditions hands down were the E3's, followed closely by the stock Dunlop's.

I no longer have any trouble with traction in rain. Oil, and other slippery stuff is always another matter.
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I had my back tire slip out during my ride home after I had just bought the 1800. Riding on a half worn Stone. It was raining hard but it had rained harder previously and I had no problem. I tell you that it scared the hell out of me and I was nervous until the roads dried up some.

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