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post #271 of 336 (permalink) Old 02-21-2014, 11:19 AM
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I had an interesting chat online with a Shinko tire representative - Here is the text from that chat
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SE890 JOURNEY TOURING
STREET / CRUISER TIRE
Designed for larger touring bikes and cruisers, The SE890 Journey touring radial features a versatile all-weather tread pattern.
• Econmically priced without sacrificing quality
• Excellent ride and load carrying capabilities
• Aramid belted radial construction
• Tread compound designed for optimal grip and good mileage
• Available in sizes for the Honda Valkyrie, and Honda GL1500 and GL1800 Gold Wing models

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According to your website (excerpted above) these tires are approved for use on a GL1500 Goldwing motorcycle. The GL1500 normally uses BIAS ply tires? However This tire is a Radial ? Are you really advertisiing this tire for the GL1500 or is this a mistake. Please advise as I am considering this for my 1996 GL1500 Aspencade

We say we have fitment for the GL1500. That means we manufacture the size of tire that originally came on that machine. We understand that the 15 came with bias ply and we leave the decision up to the customer whether or not to change to a radial. What I can say is that many people have used these on their GL1500’s and absolutely loved them! Even though the machine was designed for bias ply tires it doesn’t mean you CAN’T put radials on. A radial tire is more performance minded and is more flexible than a bias. So if your machine was designed with bias ply you just have to make modifications to accept the radial such as stiffening up the suspension. I hope this info helps and if you’d like please feel free to give me a call and I can help further explain this. .

Currently my GL1500 has stiffer than OEM suspension. As you may know the Goldwing GL1500 had softer suspension as OEM designed to make them absorbs bumps more
MY Wing has Progressive Front Springs and the Progressive 450 IAS shock on the rear combined with the air assisted OEM shock I can run it stone stiff or plush as I see fit.
So if I had these Journey SE890 tires I would stiffen the suspension to match the softness of the radial tires...?
What is the load rating of the SE890's - I missed that on the website.

Awesome! Those Progressive shocks make all the difference in the world! Yes, stiffen the suspension slightly to accommodate the radials.
Load ratings are as follows: Front load index 63 or 600lbs and rear load index 81 or 1019lbs, so combined weight of 1619 lbs


This has been an enlightening conversation and exchange thus far and I appreciate your time.
Do you have any field reports on tire longevity on the Goldwing? Approx expected miles before replacement?
I know conditions change bike to bike and all, however when I could get the Michelin Pilot GTs (which were the best tire I ever used on my GL1500) I averaged 16,500 miles per set over 4 sets I used...
My buddy & I have been trying different tires since them to find an acceptable mix of performance and longevity.
Bridgestones handle well, but burn up in under 10K
Avon Venoms last , but are too hard
Dunlop EIIIs last but slip a bit and are noisy.

I have used Shinko on a GS650 I restored this past year and liked them (Tourmaster 230's). But I sold the bike before I put any miles on them (about 300 total) .

Your thoughts please ?

Yes mileage is a tough one. What I can say is that on average I hear reports of anywhere from 8-12k. I’ve also heard of people wearing them out in 6 and cases that have lasted as long as 22,000. Most important thing about tire longevity is tire pressure. Shinko tires are designed to be run at no less than 4-5lbs below max air pressure and if run lower than that they can wear twice as fast as they should.

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130/70R18 is 72 at 783lbs rating.
150/80R17 is 63 at 600lbs rating.

My 95 GL1500A uses the 130/70-18 front tire, the Shinko rep was quoting a figure of 600lbs and thus must have been using the 17" front tire spec.

Thus the overall rating is actually 183lbs higher at 1802lbs using the 130/70R-18 up front and the 160/80R-16 on the rear.


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I just called up my favorite bike shop here in Alaska and being a Preferred Customer with them I get a loyalty discount, they will not charge me shipping for the tires, its a MAJOR hassle buying a tire online and getting it shipped to Alaska, on average sellers want at least an extra $60 for shipping, and most just refuse to ship to Alaska.

So I got a quote for around $140 for the SE890 130/70R-18 front tire from them and I am out the door in a few minutes to prepay for it, since I have used Shinkos before I have a feeling this one will be just fine, BTW all four of the others I mounted myself and placed to balance mark at the stem and none of them required balancing. The tires mounted easier if you warm them up a little bit first.


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My Pilot Activ rear tire (mounted on front) was $99.

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My Pilot Activ rear tire (mounted on front) was $99.
The Shinko is listed online in the lower 48 at not much more than than that, but I have lived in Alaska going on 22 years now and I have grumpily adjusted to the high shipping cost of getting stuff up here.
My biggest concerned about say buying a tire online isn't the cost but the tire age, defects etc, and if any are found the major hassle of returning it.

So I have a Yamaha shop that gives me a discount on parts and has been very helpful the last couple of years, and they guarantee I will always get a "fresh" tire and not new old stock or a blem.

So I have the SE890 on its way and I just bought a new set of chrome 90 degree tire stems to replace the OE ones.

I may just opt to get the Shinko rear tire mounted, but should I get a new Wing this fall which is my goal it will immediately get a CT. Its mostly because of limited options of a CT for my 1500.


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Great thread. I bought my 1500 with 18k miles on it several years ago. Tires are Dunlop E3's, and at 32k they still look good, but I think that annoying "road noise" coming from the front is cupping, so I will be replacing both. Since the E3's have been so good to me I think I'll stick with them. I am thinking I might sell it this year, and prospective buyers may not like the ct idea. JMO. If I rode more miles I'd probably go with the ct.

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Great thread. I bought my 1500 with 18k miles on it several years ago. Tires are Dunlop E3's, and at 32k they still look good, but I think that annoying "road noise" coming from the front is cupping, so I will be replacing both. Since the E3's have been so good to me I think I'll stick with them. I am thinking I might sell it this year, and prospective buyers may not like the ct idea. JMO. If I rode more miles I'd probably go with the ct.
I WOULD LOVE to see a picture of those "still good" 32,000 miles tires ....

That would be an immense number of miles... Please take a few pictures of the remaining tread on those ..if you can't post them here then email them to me and I will post them...
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I am very leery of the Shinko radials for the GL1500. They had 2 previous models, the Journey 747 and 757 that failed miserably and had to be pulled from the market. Maybe they got it right this time but Im not going to try and find out. You can do a search on this forum to find further info on them


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I ran a rear Shinko on my 1200 and loved it for it's ride, grip and price. However it didn't last long....... 8000 miles and it had to be replaced. Because of the price however, it made it more tolerable. I'm not sure they have the ratings required for the 1500 though.

Some people that I have talked to like the Battleaxe on the front of their bike but they don't see a huge mileage difference.

I put Avon Cobra's on my 1800 when I got it, replaced the rear tire after just 8000 miles, but the front I changed at over 13000 miles and it still looked like the new one did that went on it. I was on a trip so I wanted to change it as it was cupping a bit (my fault) but I put another one on the front and will see how it goes. Others have report 23K to 24K runs with a Cobra on the front.

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For some reason, it was only the radial Shinkos designed for the GL1500's. I didn't hear of other model Shinkos being a problem. They just weren't known for high mileage before the tread was gone. And I almost forgot, their 3rd attempt was the Journey 777 so the Journey 890 is actually their 4th attempt.


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