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post #281 of 336 (permalink) Old 02-28-2014, 01:53 AM
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There have also been reports of what the OP is experiencing, that didn't go away...... Is not Pressure related, balance related, bearing related........ Not sure what it is.

I know I have experienced it on my 1500 and will be ripping it off the bike before it leaves the garage this spring. It seems the more it wears, the more dangerous it's handling ability is getting. Not every one has experienced this "squirrellyness" But for those of us that have experienced it, don't like it and either have taken it off or will be taking it off............ There is no fix to it that any of us have found.
Is that Austone your taking off still got good tread to be worth me trying it out? Or is it worn out?
Mine is not quite to the wear bars yet, but getting near. You know the miles I ride at times, and how I roll. LOL
I'm thinking if your tire still has pretty good tread it might be interesting to run it on my bike and see how it compares to the Austone I been running.
88 1500 and 95SE 1500, near 3 years on the same 1 Austone.
I liked mine so well that when the deer hit the 88 in 03/2012 I took it off and put it on the 95 about 07/2012 LOL
So I been running this Austone since sometime in 2011, off and on.

I have a new Austone in the shop waiting to put on, but it might be interesting to try one that has that squiggle a few people mentioned.
Just to see how it compares to the one I been running.
See if it squiggles on my 1500 also or not.

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Ran the tire pressure up to 45 psi, rear shocks up to 50 psi and had the same squirrelly ness. Ran the front shocks up to 8.5 psi from 3 psi and it made a huge difference. Still not as solid as before, but much better. That make sense?
I run my Austone at 48PSI and rear shocks about 70psi or so checked when sitting level and on tires, not on center-stand.
I know it says to do the shock air while on the center-stand but I never do.
I checked/adjusted it on center-stand before, then checked it sitting on the tires.
I read 70psi sitting on the tires then, so that is what I go by.

Front forks I just play with and not sure what I use.
My 88 did not have air forks, the first time I check the 95SE when I found it did have air forks it actually read about 60psi for some reason which is supposed to be far too much.
I lowered my fork air to a more normal 8-10psi but did not like the difference in the ride, and I still had an E3 on the rear then.
I think I settled on around 25psi on mine for the ride I like. Many people have said it's too high and I may blow my seals, but I figure it's still far less than the 60psi they first had and did about 8K miles or more before I even knew I had air forks!

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99 SE 1500, Also riding now, Red ( Second fastest color)
95 SE 1500, riding now, Purple (the fastest color)
88 1500 recovering from deer hit, Phantom Gray (Most expensive color )
82 1100 riding sometimes, Red
Also 80 1100 naked and 86 1200 Interstate, not running yet.
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I WOULD LOVE to see a picture of those "still good" 32,000 miles tires ....

That would be an immense number of miles... Please take a few pictures of the remaining tread on those ..if you can't post them here then email them to me and I will post them...
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LOL. No, the BIKE had 18k miles on it, I didn't mean to imply the tires did. They couldn't possibly be the original tires. But I've gotten 14k out of them so I think that is great.

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I;ll be ordering a new tire sometime this summer Chromo. The Astone is Maybe 1/2 warn. Maybe when I get a new tire for it, you can come over and we'll switch them out. I think that would be a good trial.


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Is that Austone your taking off still got good tread to be worth me trying it out? Or is it worn out?
Mine is not quite to the wear bars yet, but getting near. You know the miles I ride at times, and how I roll. LOL
I'm thinking if your tire still has pretty good tread it might be interesting to run it on my bike and see how it compares to the Austone I been running.
88 1500 and 95SE 1500, near 3 years on the same 1 Austone.
I liked mine so well that when the deer hit the 88 in 03/2012 I took it off and put it on the 95 about 07/2012 LOL
So I been running this Austone since sometime in 2011, off and on.

I have a new Austone in the shop waiting to put on, but it might be interesting to try one that has that squiggle a few people mentioned.
Just to see how it compares to the one I been running.
See if it squiggles on my 1500 also or not.

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2001 GL1800 ........ 73000 Miles
1989 GL1500 ...... 133000 miles and climbing

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I;ll be ordering a new tire sometime this summer Chromo. The Astone is Maybe 1/2 warn. Maybe when I get a new tire for it, you can come over and we'll switch them out. I think that would be a good trial.
Sounds good to me. Hurry up and get your new tire! I am ready to ride!
Been a long hard winter for me, not rode but once or twice since DEC. with all going on, health, weather etc..

To badly quote the Blues Bothers,
1/2 Low tires, 1/2 Tank of gas, Sunglasses, and it's dark out, I'm ready to ride!

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95 SE 1500, riding now, Purple (the fastest color)
88 1500 recovering from deer hit, Phantom Gray (Most expensive color )
82 1100 riding sometimes, Red
Also 80 1100 naked and 86 1200 Interstate, not running yet.
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Actually that is a very good idea! Then the issue can be narrowed down to the tire or the bike. That could be some very useful information.

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Actually that is a very good idea! Then the issue can be narrowed down to the tire or the bike. That could be some very useful information.

That is what I was thinking.
Best would be if I rode his 1500 and he rode mine as they are.
That way if his feels bad to me, but mine feels better to him, then we know it's not just the riders feelings too as far as handling.
Then swap tires, and do it again and see if the good bike handles worse and the bad one handles better or they both handle the same as before

Course it could take a couple weeks to fully test this way, so if Rebeca is willing to fix the bacon and eggs or sausage and biscuits in the morning for us scientists I'd gladly buy the hamburger and trimmings for her to cook at night for our dinner.

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99 SE 1500, Also riding now, Red ( Second fastest color)
95 SE 1500, riding now, Purple (the fastest color)
88 1500 recovering from deer hit, Phantom Gray (Most expensive color )
82 1100 riding sometimes, Red
Also 80 1100 naked and 86 1200 Interstate, not running yet.
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Course it could take a couple weeks to fully test this way, so if Rebeca is willing to fix the bacon and eggs or sausage and biscuits in the morning for us scientists I'd gladly buy the hamburger and trimmings for her to cook at night for our dinner.

NO JOBE05, DO NOT TELL HER I SAID THAT!

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2001 GL1800 ........ 73000 Miles
1989 GL1500 ...... 133000 miles and climbing

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I had an interesting chat online with a Shinko tire representative - Here is the text from that chat
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SE890 JOURNEY TOURING
STREET / CRUISER TIRE
Designed for larger touring bikes and cruisers, The SE890 Journey touring radial features a versatile all-weather tread pattern.
Econmically priced without sacrificing quality
Excellent ride and load carrying capabilities
Aramid belted radial construction
Tread compound designed for optimal grip and good mileage
Available in sizes for the Honda Valkyrie, and Honda GL1500 and GL1800 Gold Wing models

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
According to your website (excerpted above) these tires are approved for use on a GL1500 Goldwing motorcycle. The GL1500 normally uses BIAS ply tires? However This tire is a Radial ? Are you really advertisiing this tire for the GL1500 or is this a mistake. Please advise as I am considering this for my 1996 GL1500 Aspencade

We say we have fitment for the GL1500. That means we manufacture the size of tire that originally came on that machine. We understand that the 15 came with bias ply and we leave the decision up to the customer whether or not to change to a radial. What I can say is that many people have used these on their GL1500s and absolutely loved them! Even though the machine was designed for bias ply tires it doesnt mean you CANT put radials on. A radial tire is more performance minded and is more flexible than a bias. So if your machine was designed with bias ply you just have to make modifications to accept the radial such as stiffening up the suspension. I hope this info helps and if youd like please feel free to give me a call and I can help further explain this. .

Currently my GL1500 has stiffer than OEM suspension. As you may know the Goldwing GL1500 had softer suspension as OEM designed to make them absorbs bumps more
MY Wing has Progressive Front Springs and the Progressive 450 IAS shock on the rear combined with the air assisted OEM shock I can run it stone stiff or plush as I see fit.
So if I had these Journey SE890 tires I would stiffen the suspension to match the softness of the radial tires...?
What is the load rating of the SE890's - I missed that on the website.

Awesome! Those Progressive shocks make all the difference in the world! Yes, stiffen the suspension slightly to accommodate the radials.
Load ratings are as follows: Front load index 63 or 600lbs and rear load index 81 or 1019lbs, so combined weight of 1619 lbs


This has been an enlightening conversation and exchange thus far and I appreciate your time.
Do you have any field reports on tire longevity on the Goldwing? Approx expected miles before replacement?
I know conditions change bike to bike and all, however when I could get the Michelin Pilot GTs (which were the best tire I ever used on my GL1500) I averaged 16,500 miles per set over 4 sets I used...
My buddy & I have been trying different tires since them to find an acceptable mix of performance and longevity.
Bridgestones handle well, but burn up in under 10K
Avon Venoms last , but are too hard
Dunlop EIIIs last but slip a bit and are noisy.

I have used Shinko on a GS650 I restored this past year and liked them (Tourmaster 230's). But I sold the bike before I put any miles on them (about 300 total) .

Your thoughts please ?

Yes mileage is a tough one. What I can say is that on average I hear reports of anywhere from 8-12k. Ive also heard of people wearing them out in 6 and cases that have lasted as long as 22,000. Most important thing about tire longevity is tire pressure. Shinko tires are designed to be run at no less than 4-5lbs below max air pressure and if run lower than that they can wear twice as fast as they should.

An update....

Bought that 890 Journey Touring front tire, the 18" one, it was indeed a 63H and a 600lb. load rating, less than what I was led to believe, not as much as using a BT45 rear tire, I must have read something wrong on the Shinko website, or they are wrong.
But anyway it mounts decently, helps to heat it up first. Made sure inside of rim was spotless clean. Put circle at the stem. Its a new chrome 90 degree stem, I think it was lighter than the OE rubber, new one has two lock nuts on inside, I used red locktight on the threads. Did require a small amount of weight, may not have needed that if OE stem.

Inflated, set the bead, deflated and then filled tire with 2 ounces of a Dynabead substitute I happen to have lying around my shop. Basically a special sand blasting media thats either silicone carbide or zirconium carbide. Did some research and found out thats basically what balancing beads are, I have hundreds of pounds of this stuff left over from a special project over 10 years ago.

Had no problems getting beads through the angled stem, just angle the stem at a 45 degree angle. It will be maybe another month before the weather clears and I can ride bike though.


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