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Going to the dark side.

hey guys, sorry i've been off the grid for a while. hope everyone is doing good and ya'll are gonna have a happy thanksgiving.

i know this might be an old topic, and if it is, can someone point me in the right direction as to where it might be posted on this site.

i would like to hear some opinions on going to the dark side. im thinking about putting a 1500 final drive onto my 86 1200 SEi and using a ct on it. i've read a lot of posts on other sites and looked at some vids of how a ct handles on 1800's. what are your thoughts and insights about this.

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I know one place you've seen it recently ..... looked great. That fellow had not ridden his 1200 as a two wheeler before the change though as I found out when asking about any change in brake feel.

I think it would work at least as well as it does on a GL1500 or GL1800
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I've never ridden a "darksided" GL myself so I tend to stay out of those threads judging them. When I do mine, I likely will remain with MC tires like the Avon Cobras (which I am anxious to try on the old girl) ....
.... but I must admit .... I remain curious as to how it would feel in various turns with a CT. Having a "Darksider" tell me it's great ain't the same as experiencing it first hand though and I know of no local "Darksiders" so to try it out would cost me some "$jack$". I have the extra GL1500 wheels .... but I just can't talk myself into taking that plunge no more miles than I am likely to ride the 1200.


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The feel in the turns, at slow speeds is noticeable.

It wants to "upright" itself and straighten out. I first noticed this on roads with moderate 35 mph curves. The bike kept wanting to go to the outside in a straight line. Now, I just push a trifle harder on the inside handlebar and never think about it anymore.

At 50 mph+, I do not notice it at all. Where I do notice it a lot is in areas of slow traffic, or where the asphalt is cracked, or concrete has broken and has different levels to it. The rear tire wants to steer you away from the direction of travel.

Once you get accustomed to what is going to happen, you just ignore it and continue on in a straight ahead manner and all is well.

Those who are nervous about anything not OEM will yell "not for me" and quit trying to get used to it fast.

All that said: I will stay with the PVC forever, mine at the moment is a Michelin Primacy Alpin on a GL1800.

For the 1500 rim, the options are fewer, but several are available. The Austin Taxi tire probably is the most popular one used. That tire exhibits a lot less of the traits of the bigger 195 tires on 1800s. It feels more like an E3

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now see, thats where i would have a problem, i ride the dragon's tail a lot, and i don't want a bike thats not gonna be "nimble" in some of those tight twisties. personally, i think by going to the dark side the bike will loose some of its handling traits and there is a possibility of loosing its "sure footedness" leaning into and thru some of the turns. i have watched a few videos of how the rear tire lifts up off the ground while the bike is leaning into some bends and curves in the road and i really wouldn't want my tire to lose 1/4 to 1/2 of its contact patch while riding since a car tire is flat across its center and not rounded like a motorcycle tire is. to me, it would seem like the rear wheel is liable to slide out from under the bike, and thats on dry pavement, it could be worse on wet road conditions. the UPSIDE to it would be longevity of the tire lasting much longer than a regular motorcycle tire.

i was told that if i wanted to put a 1500 final drive on my 1200, i should go with a Avon Venom or Cobra tire.

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[QUOTE=roadwanderer2;4916897 i have watched a few videos of how the rear tire lifts up off the ground while the bike is leaning into some bends and curves in the road and i really wouldn't want my tire to lose 1/4 to 1/2 of its contact patch while riding since a car tire is flat across its center and not rounded like a motorcycle tire is. to me, it would seem like the rear wheel is liable to slide out from under the bike, and thats on dry pavement, it could be worse on wet road conditions. the UPSIDE to it would be longevity of the tire lasting much longer than a regular motorcycle tire.
stuart.[/QUOTE]


Worst case, there is still more rubber on the ground with the CT than with a M/C tire.

The shoulders are just as round, they are not square.
It is a wider tread and going straight makes it almost impossible to hydroplane.

I followed several bikes up a very tight twisty trails with my trailer and did not have any difficulty staying with them in every corner.

Several in the Carolinas, and up in the Black Hills, SD going around the playful roads there.... You won't be giving anything up. It is just a different feel that takes a few miles to get used to.

After 10 miles on my new PVC, I pretty much forgot about it after that.

I have found that with the PVC that I feel safer on loose soils, mud, wet grass.
The E3 tires would just sink down into the mess and go sideways on me when power is applied.

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look at this picture, laying way over on the sidestand, there is still more rubber on the ground than the E3 has at the same angle.




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now see, thats where i would have a problem, i ride the dragon's tail a lot, and i don't want a bike thats not gonna be "nimble" in some of those tight twisties. personally, i think by going to the dark side the bike will loose some of its handling traits and there is a possibility of loosing its "sure footedness" leaning into and thru some of the turns. i have watched a few videos of how the rear tire lifts up off the ground while the bike is leaning into some bends and curves in the road and i really wouldn't want my tire to lose 1/4 to 1/2 of its contact patch while riding since a car tire is flat across its center and not rounded like a motorcycle tire is. to me, it would seem like the rear wheel is liable to slide out from under the bike, and thats on dry pavement, it could be worse on wet road conditions. the UPSIDE to it would be longevity of the tire lasting much longer than a regular motorcycle tire.

i was told that if i wanted to put a 1500 final drive on my 1200, i should go with a Avon Venom or Cobra tire.

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You couldn't be more wrong about the sure footedness at least on an 1800, the self proclaimed "fastest goldwing rider" , who has put more miles on the dragon than probably anyone alive is using a car tire. But I think the only tire you could possibly use on your 1200 with a 16" rim would not work well at all.

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Dave0430, im inclined to agree with you about a car tire not working well on my 1200. there is almost a 200 pound weight difference between the 86 1200 SEi and the 2010 1800. im sure the 1800 is a lot more stable even WITH a car tire on the back than it would be with a 1200 simply because of that extra 200 pounds of weight. the 2010 1800 comes in at 892 pounds curb weight whereas the 86 1200 SEi comes in at only 728 pounds dry weight. im not sure if i would be willing to risk using a car tire on a lighter/smaller bike. if i did the final drive swap to a 1500, i WOULD be willing to use a car tire that has a more "rounded profile" instead of a flat tire surface IF there is such a tire available. if not, i would go with the Avon Venom or Cobra tire.

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I see no advantage to changing to a 15 final drive and wheel.

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