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It's just something mostly to get people's money. The car dealer where I worked was charging $10 a tire for it, and out of a portable nitrogen machine the purity isn't very good anyway. Just dry air is just as good.
I have never really understood how it would help. My company requires it on our fleet trucks. We also have to run min. 10 ply tires. Our fleet manager says that the in dash pressure indicator, will only work with nitrogen.

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This quote from that link is dangerous.

Oxygen permeates through the rubber walls of tires 3-4 times faster than Nitrogen. The water vapor contained in air migrates through the tire wall at a rate of up to 250 times faster than Nitrogen resulting in pressure losses that can be up to 1 pound or more per month. Over time these losses add up and can cause handling and steering difficulty and can lead to premature wear and catastrophic tire failure which can result in injury or death. In fact, its reported that the number one reason for tire blowouts is underinflated tires.

So the average moron goes and has his tires filled with nitrogen and assumes he never has to check the pressure again. OK, oxygen and water vapor leak out faster than nitrogen. So if I fill my tires with air and wait the oxygen and water leak out and what I have left is nitrogen, I may have to add more but I get the same result.
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I have never really understood how it would help. My company requires it on our fleet trucks. We also have to run min. 10 ply tires. Our fleet manager says that the in dash pressure indicator, will only work with nitrogen.
Now THIS guy needs to get his head examined.


The ONE AND ONLY BENEFIT of using nitrogen fill is that the pressure variation will be reduced from cold to hot changes. Pressure is pressure, when it comes to air in tires, and it will not change mileage, tire life, tread life, or ride quality. I am just completely baffled in this internet age, of just how the hell this legend/myth keeps perpetuating itself. well.... I guess the fake news crap has taken a grip like a Vulcan mind meld, lol
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I use a custom mix: 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases. Maybe a bit of water vapor too, depends on if it's raining when I hook up the AIR pump!
In Denver I believe it's about 78.29 nitrogen, 20.75 oxygen, .93argon and .04 carbon dioxide
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As my Wing was hatched in 1984 and I like to keep things as original as possible I only use air bottled in 1984 and if possible bottled in Ohio.
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I have transferred all of my OEM air from one tire to the next. No chance of organ rejection this way.
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Most new vehicles come with it in the tires stock. The problem is if you have a low tire your not going to drive or ride around town to find a place that has it and then get charged for adding it to your tires. Both my Nisan Titan and Sentra came with it but I use my compressor to top them off.


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Most new vehicles come with it in the tires stock. The problem is if you have a low tire your not going to drive or ride around town to find a place that has it and then get charged for adding it to your tires. Both my Nisan Titan and Sentra came with it but I use my compressor to top them off.
When I worked at Honda we put nitrogen in all the new cars, just to have something else to add to the sticker but after that it was seldom anyone requested it with a service, they just got air. The guy that did most of the PDIs didn't know how to use the machine properly anyway so they probably only got 90% or less nitrogen.

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