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It's got a sixth gear so it will sell.
I'm sure Mother Honda knows better than me, but after years of anticipation and a pre-deposit at two dealers, I feel clinical depression settling in. Just to set the record straight, I've spent countless hours of excitement perusing the possibilities over more than a few years now, and I've owned a new 1100, 1500, and 1800. Been riding for 46 years, to include regular track days on a GSXR. I've been hair triggered to place my order first thing tomorrow morning.

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First- No appreciable increase in power, other than apparently some midrange improvement. See link: https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/201...11-fast-facts/

Second- Huge cargo reduction

Third- Smaller passenger seat

Fourth- Obnoxious sound

Fifth- Ya I know, 22% increase in mpg which is very impressive, no doubt, but did they really have to reduce weight and profile by knocking off a gallon of gas?

Where are the real crash guards, not the "engine bender assists" I notice, aftermarket be damned. My 1800 is a snap to pickup after an inadvertent parking lot tipover, will this one also do that?

All the other advances are surely expected and I'm sure the handling is awesome, just sayin.............

I've just graduated from years of 1. When can I finally put in an order? I can't stand the anticipation!!! 2. Now I'm not so sure. 3. Time to pull my deposit. 4. Guess old trusty 1800 will be around for quite awhile.

The only thing that could change my mind now would be proof of significantly improved acceleration, and some kind of solution for the absurd storage reduction, but I already have a luggage rack so that's a zero-sum fix. Oh, and maybe some plastic freezer bags rubber banned around the exhaust tips. This is a touring bike for Chr___st sakes. Not an open muffler gentleman V Twin. Does Honda really think that sport bike noise coming out of the rear end is going to convince a 25 year old digging in his pocket for enough change for his next Latte to pony up?

Price not an issue, I think they did a good job with that.

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Apparently this is it.

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Wow lots of changes. Some i did not see coming, like the reduction is gas tank size. I know they say you will get the same mileage but an extra 40+ would have been ok with me. Actually overall nice changes. I agree with some previous statements about the engine guards and smaller passenger seating but overall, looks pretty nice (the 6 speed was really needed). the price is not bad at all, was expecting to see 35k

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They got rid of anywhere to mount highway pegs, someone will figure something out. They could probably easily get at least 150 hp from that engine with just computer remapping.

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They got rid of anywhere to mount highway pegs, someone will figure something out. They could probably easily get at least 150 hp from that engine with just computer remapping.
If 150HP is possible through remapping in some shade tree mechanics backyard with a laptop plugged into the ECU, then Honda would have done it at the factory. Plus, and remapping could have unintended effects re: interacting with such a highly technologically wired bike. Not to mention screwing with emission controls. If BMW can put out a 160HP engine, what the hell is Honda thinking?

1/3 reduction in storage
Less comfortable passenger seat
Uninspiring increase in acceleration
Copycat loud Harley exhaust note sans the potato.

Other than the front suspension, which truly looks revolutionary, and the weight reduction, everything else that I can see is off the shelf stuff. This roll out is 8 years too late.

I'm not happy Mother Honda.
Not including assorted other bikes...1964 305 Superhawk, 1973 CL350, 1977 Honda 550-4, 1983 Goldwing, 1995 Goldwing, 1998 Valkyrie, 2003 Wing. Is this when my association with Honda ends after 46 years? How sad.
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I'm not happy Mother Honda.
Not including assorted other bikes...1964 305 Superhawk, 1973 CL350, 1977 Honda 550-4, 1983 Goldwing, 1995 Goldwing, 1998 Valkyrie, 2003 Wing. Is this when my association with Honda ends after 46 years? How sad.
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Maybe the after market will make quieter mufflers. Did you also hear in the unveiling video that the bike has a starter/generator? No more 'Singing' alternator.


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Honda is not the only manufacturer of motorcycles if you are not happy with them.
Agreed, no argument. But after owning Hondas since 1971, and anticipating this roll out for years now, I'm at a loss to see how such a bike with many huge improvements could drop the ball in such critical areas.
The video actually advertised "enough storage for that three day weekend trip". Seriously? Really? Three days! 110 liters?? Our average trip is two weeks or more.
A brand new ground up 4 valve engine with a 5HP bump?
Noisy pipes and degraded seating.

It's either GTL here I come, and I'm NO fan of Beemers, or suck it up and buy the G/W Tour and live with some great positives, but also some major deficiencies.
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Not sure this video gives the whole picture. I would be interested in seeing it up close and personal before making any decisions. That being said, I don't see anything here that makes me 'want' to give up my 1500. Of course, I just got it this year and starting to really like the 1500. Reducing storage, fuel tank capacity, and the loud pipes simply deter me away from it. Really, the only things that I see as improvements are the 6 or 7 gears and the front suspension. The rest is ho-hum.
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Not sure this video gives the whole picture. I would be interested in seeing it up close and personal before making any decisions. That being said, I don't see anything here that makes me 'want' to give up my 1500. Of course, I just got it this year and starting to really like the 1500. Reducing storage, fuel tank capacity, and the loud pipes simply deter me away from it. Really, the only things that I see as improvements are the 6 or 7 gears and the front suspension. The rest is ho-hum.
I'd add the pathetic increase in engine power to the negatives. But to be fair, there are a lot of other positives. Wind protection, weight, riding modes and traction control.

The key fob, electric windscreen, heated seats, gear indicator, and TPMS are old hat upgrades that have been around for years but Honda is trying to pass them off as "revolutionary". Oh please.

I do think price is very reasonable though.
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