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First scare on my 1200 Aspy

So its been a while since Ive ridden a 1200 and the biggest difference is the momentum I feel going through corners. Maybe a stupid question, but how does this extra weight affect corner traction limits? The tyres are rated for more weight than my 600, but I guess overall cornering ability is reduced anyway? By the way, I dont ride fast, I've mainly been riding cruisers and standard bikes for most of my riding life.

Heres what happened:

Yesterday I was riding through a pretty heavy downpour and the front wheel broke loose going around the bend of a highway offramp at about 40mph. It wasn't a lot, the wing wobbled a couple of times through the front end but kept on tracking
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the same rules applies to the heavier bikes as it does for the lighter ones, even a bicycle.

you must lean it over to make it turn....
the tighter the corner, the harder you have to make it lean.

Rule #1: the bike will go where your eyes are looking....
that means that you need to practice looking about halfway thru that turn, not the 100 feet that is right in front of you.

Rule #2: if the road surface is wet, knock 25% off the speed limit to be safe.
If you try to go thru a wet turn at the speed limit, you are putting your life in the hands of the Angels hoping they don't let you slide into a ditch.

Tires can only do so much, the best tires can make the bad ones look very bad.

When the roads get wet, I slow down:
you can knock 10% off the speed limit and your Time To Destination won't change more than 3 minutes for almost every trip you make.

this excludes a 1,000 run. I am talking about all the little trips we take to work and back, the 100 mile rides to see the colors of the tree leaves..... that is a fact, and your GPS can prove it for you very easy.

Set up a Destination, and then set the GPS to give you ARRIVAL TIME.

Now, this is the hard part. Knock 5% off the speed limit and let the Hot Rod jerks go around you..
Meanwhile, you are enjoying the view, you aren't about to hit the guy in front, because he isn't there anymore.


Make it a point to always stay 5% below the Speed Limit...... betcha when you get back home, or at that destination, the Time Difference is not enough for you to even get off, take a leak and buy a coke.


I do this everyday, and it is now a habit.... I run exact at, or 2-3 mph slower than the Speed LImit.

For off ramps, I never take one faster than the Posted Speed Limit for that curve.....
that has saved my ass so many times, I can't count them all.
we have an off ramp here in Tulsa that has needed to be resurfaced for 10 years....
one day I took that ramp, and a huge hole was right in the middle of where I normally track thru it.

Had I been pushing the speed limit +10 mph or more, like 99% of motorcycle riders do, I would have done an End Over and crashed into the guard rails.

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the same rules applies to the heavier bikes as it does for the lighter ones, even a bicycle.

you must lean it over to make it turn....
the tighter the corner, the harder you have to make it lean.

Rule #1: the bike will go where your eyes are looking....
that means that you need to practice looking about halfway thru that turn, not the 100 feet that is right in front of you.

Rule #2: if the road surface is wet, knock 25% off the speed limit to be safe.
If you try to go thru a wet turn at the speed limit, you are putting your life in the hands of the Angels hoping they don't let you slide into a ditch.

Tires can only do so much, the best tires can make the bad ones look very bad.

When the roads get wet, I slow down:
you can knock 10% off the speed limit and your Time To Destination won't change more than 3 minutes for almost every trip you make.

this excludes a 1,000 run. I am talking about all the little trips we take to work and back, the 100 mile rides to see the colors of the tree leaves..... that is a fact, and your GPS can prove it for you very easy.

Set up a Destination, and then set the GPS to give you ARRIVAL TIME.

Now, this is the hard part. Knock 5% off the speed limit and let the Hot Rod jerks go around you..
Meanwhile, you are enjoying the view, you aren't about to hit the guy in front, because he isn't there anymore.


Make it a point to always stay 5% below the Speed Limit...... betcha when you get back home, or at that destination, the Time Difference is not enough for you to even get off, take a leak and buy a coke.


I do this everyday, and it is now a habit.... I run exact at, or 2-3 mph slower than the Speed LImit.

For off ramps, I never take one faster than the Posted Speed Limit for that curve.....
that has saved my ass so many times, I can't count them all.
we have an off ramp here in Tulsa that has needed to be resurfaced for 10 years....
one day I took that ramp, and a huge hole was right in the middle of where I normally track thru it.

Had I been pushing the speed limit +10 mph or more, like 99% of motorcycle riders do, I would have done an End Over and crashed into the guard rails.
There's a lot of off ramps in tulsa that fit that category unfortunately, but we're getting a nice place to gather on the river.

Yeah, knocking off a little on the speed is not a bad idea, especially in the rain.
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There's a lot of off ramps in tulsa that fit that category unfortunately, but we're getting a nice place to gather on the river.

Yeah, knocking off a little on the speed is not a bad idea, especially in the rain.

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Rain is always a little treacherous on a bike. There isn't any "right" speed to take corners since every one is different. It's just a matter of learning the limits of your bike and staying below those limits. I do everything I can to avoid riding in the rain but if I happen to get caught out in a shower I just assume the road is greased glass and ride accordingly.

Surprisingly enough the size and weight of the bike have very little to do with the handling ability. Sure the extra weight is pushing out in a curve but it's also pulling down against the road surface creating extra grip. Tire configuration (tread and shape of the tire) and composition (how sticky or hard is the rubber) along with the road surface really determine the cornering performance.

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a heavy bike with soft suspension and tires designed for maximum mileage is recipe for disaster. weight doesnt matter unless its sprung weight. the poor :spring" is what kills ya.


race tech and metzelers are good combo if ya scared of wet roads.
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a heavy bike with soft suspension and tires designed for maximum mileage is recipe for disaster. weight doesnt matter unless its sprung weight. the poor :spring" is what kills ya.


race tech and metzelers are good combo if ya scared of wet roads.

I agree, and I think that is why my bike rides like it is on rails....
it has Traxxion Springs front and rear....
at speeds below 40 mph, it is a rough ride.

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Yeah boy, being halfway through a good turn, bike heeled over, smooth road, "Wife Unit" on back, and having the front drop as the tire slips will increase the pucker factor 10X.


Late '90s ... loaded on our '85 ... Coming up 321 from Greenville, NC back when a 2 lane road, leaned over in a right hander, squirrel run out and greased the road, front slipped out, I thought we was gonna get creamed by oncoming car but tire regained grip, "Oh Sh..t" we both said.


Stop up road for a few moments.

'Bout as "skeert" as I ever been on a bike.


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John, I was making the point that roads in tulsa suck, but we have the new "Gathering Place" park on riverside drive. I know different funding and all, but still. ..
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So its been a while since Ive ridden a 1200 and the biggest difference is the momentum I feel going through corners. Maybe a stupid question, but how does this extra weight affect corner traction limits? The tyres are rated for more weight than my 600, but I guess overall cornering ability is reduced anyway? By the way, I dont ride fast, I've mainly been riding cruisers and standard bikes for most of my riding life.

Heres what happened:

Yesterday I was riding through a pretty heavy downpour and the front wheel broke loose going around the bend of a highway offramp at about 40mph. It wasn't a lot, the wing wobbled a couple of times through the front end but kept on tracking
I see you are from Scandinavia, what part do you do your driving in? I've never been there but in the Pacific NW part of the USA, on the coast we get a lot of rain and the terrain is hilly to mountainous. Our roads have a lot of curves and we have a lot of hills to negotiate. For me, the most important thing for wet riding is tires and it is more important than rain gear. I try to use soft rubber tires with a tread pattern that will move the water out from under the tire's contact patch. The other thing is to slow down and maintain extended room from the traffic. You will need additional stopping room. If you ride frequently in the rain I suggest practicing stopping in the wet from about 30 MPH. That will give you a feel for your bike's traction. I ride a 1972 CB450 and a 10985 GL1200. I prefer the GL in the wet. It just feels more stable and planted in the wet.

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