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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old 11-14-2018, 08:52 AM
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Three paragraphs from the article says enough. And it isn't just Harley that will decline. The man bun snowflake generation just don't care about this sort of thing.



“We’re in the fashion business,” Willie Davidson, the grandson of Harley co-founder William A. Davidson told People in 1981. “No one needs a motorcycle. It’s your toy or hobby. It has to do something for your ego.”

Harley’s longtime bread and butter has been Baby Boomers, those who grew up enamored with the outlaw image to the point that they were willing to spend $20,000 or more on the bikes and leather to live out that image. But the Boomers are getting older, increasingly physically unable to ride or dying out entirely. And Harley’s response—an electric bike called the LiveWire set to debut next year—isn’t so much of a Hail Mary as it is a capitulation. It also won’t be nearly enough.

“My generation viewed Harleys as American fast, loud, muscle. We liked that stuff,” Gordon said. “[My students] view it as the tired old folks who screwed up America.”

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Another good article 8^

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I wonder how many 2018 Goldwings have been sold in the U.S. I'm sure not as many as Honda would have liked. I've never had a brand new bike always someone else's left over. I liked the article but an Electric Bike doesn't do much for me. In the 80's I rode a Goldwing and thought why would you ride a bike like that. I didn't get it at all but now I wonder why everyone doesn't ride one. Times are a changin!
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Yep , interesting article. I wish them well. I don't think a large electrical motorcycle has any appeal. And the range they are talking about is pathetic.
An electric scooter- maybe.
Let's say someone wants to trade his brand new Goldwing DCT for my 2008 bike with the condition that I cannot resale it. It a no deal.
I'd think that the touring motorcycle are : long time-distance and medium time-distance
The 2018 Goldwing does not qualify for the first category.

With regards of the second article it is true that it comes a time when we have to dump a lot of goods that meant a lot for us but nobody else has any interest in it.

My wife took me to a few estate sales and I found it sad and I wont go any longer.
Last one was a Marine"s house, probably a physician later in life. He had his life laid in front of us and nobody cared
One of the comments in the first article was

"And it ends the way they all do.... you die and your wife sells it at an estate sale to afford a used Jag for her new boyfriend down in Florida."
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I'm guessing Harley has nearly saturated its present market and with no NEW market emerging any time soon...they are looking at the End Times.

Interestingly though, every multi-state road trip I've taken in the past few years has shown me almost exclusively nothing but groups of Harleys on the open road. Yeah, a 'Wing or Beemer now and then, but man are they rare! I guess that's why I feel Big H has saturated their market.
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Don't forget all the Honda and Yamaha V-Twins that look so much like a Harley from a distance.... Loud aftermarket pipes on a lot of them, too.

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Yea, the market has topped for a while until our kids start buying. Harley has always made a pretty good product but Im not a fan of the electrical system. I seen a $45,000 Harley last year at the dealer I really had to shake my head seeing it. I did have the best stereo I have ever heard on a bike, Just wondered how long you could listen to is up load before the charging system was dead. I've only owned one Harley in my life a Old 1200 chopper. As a young adult I rode Suzuki (Katana) and Honda's (interceptors) but owned almost all the CB models. In 1980 I forbidden to ride due to my uncle getting killed on one so it wasnt until 86 (moving out) that I was able to ride again. Then came kids so I was on and off again owner. In 2015 I bought a 79 KZ1000 which I had owned one before but soon wanted to cruise and a friend gave me a GL1200. After putting it all back together its been by far my most favorite of all my bikes to ever own. Being a mechanical guy I have learned how to work on anything I ride and a lot that i dont. A big draw back I see with a lot of newer bikes is they have become harder to work on without scanning tools and software. I recently bought the Harley software to bypass the rev limiter and change some of the performance limits. I just really limit my repairs to non fuel injected things or try. Thats what technology does though it evolves.
Reading that article though, I can see a few of our kids doing the same as most of us has done though, which is buying what we could afford and riding. As far as electric, I dont see it happening with technology of today. I wish Harley well though as well as the other manufactures, only time will tell who survives. Im reminded of a story my father told me about the day of the Model T Ford, he said on day everybody had one and no one needed one.

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"You can fool some of the people . . . . ." you know the rest.
HD is selling 1918 technology at 2018 prices.
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The other day a guy stopped by us with a beautiful Harley The motor sounded great. Unfortunately the hands on the handlebar were vibrating like hell. After a bit he took his hands off it
I told my wife that that vibration cannot be too good for the riders hands.
But it really sounded good.
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Yeah, that vibration, coupled with the ape-hangers positioning the arms higher in the air can lead to a couple of problems, including Raynaud's Syndrome (pronounced "Ray Knows"). Buddy of mine has it and thinks it's from his years of riding Harleys. Can't prove it though.

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