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post #131 of 184 (permalink) Old 04-21-2013, 09:37 PM
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Reading this thread makes me want to start a shop that markets toward the bike owners with older bikes. Wings are not super hard to work on IMO...
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post #132 of 184 (permalink) Old 04-21-2013, 11:24 PM
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HI Folks,

I recently bought my 88 Gl1500 from a Honda Dealer, No one told me that they would not work on it either , but after they prepped the bike for me I had to find my Front Intercom connector that they left under the dash.

After seeing this and reading this thread I will never take my bike to a dealer like the one that sold me this one.
there is a place up here in NH called Venco Wings they specialize in Wings I will only take my bike in to them If I cant do the work myself due to lack of tools or knowledge, But I can see this site has al the knowledge I will need.
So far I have put 600 miles on my wing it had 66k on it when I got it no problems so far But I am going to change the timing belts to be safe.

This site Rocks! I am extremely happy to have found this site!

Now all I have to do is worry about parts if I ever need them!

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HI Folks,

I recently bought my 88 Gl1500 from a Honda Dealer, No one told me that they would not work on it either , but after they prepped the bike for me I had to find my Front Intercom connector that they left under the dash.

After seeing this and reading this thread I will never take my bike to a dealer like the one that sold me this one.
there is a place up here in NH called Venco Wings they specialize in Wings I will only take my bike in to them If I cant do the work myself due to lack of tools or knowledge, But I can see this site has al the knowledge I will need.
So far I have put 600 miles on my wing it had 66k on it when I got it no problems so far But I am going to change the timing belts to be safe.

This site Rocks! I am extremely happy to have found this site!

Now all I have to do is worry about parts if I ever need them!
Welcome. I'm surprised they sold you an '88. Dealers around here will not sell anything over 10 years old. They wind up going to an auction along with bikes from many other dealers. A dealer will take one as a trade in, but give you almost nothing for it, because they can't resell it. They won't work on bikes over 10 years old, and most will not sell you parts for a bike more than 10 years old. Fortunately online places like bikebandit.com and cheapcycleparts.com will. I get all my oem parts from them.

We have a local independent Goldwing shop here, but they only deal with 1500s and 1800s. I also found that they use common Belray waterproof grease on drive splines instead of moly paste.

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post #134 of 184 (permalink) Old 05-21-2013, 01:41 PM
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Some dealers mechanics don't have the parts to deal with an older bike. Plus a lot more problematic.. other things can break.
It's better anyway to take your bike to a specialized shop. They'll take better care of it that way
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All of the US auto manufacturers maintain OEM parts supply for cars and trucks for a period of 10 years. After that, one would mostly get aftermarket parts installed. There's not enough money to be made for as aftermarket manufacturer to make serviceable parts for Gold Wings. There is a lot more to it than just furnishing parts for older vehicles. There has to be storage space, a distribution system and employees to handle parts. Last but not least, the cost of manufacturing parts.
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I worked as a service manager for two dealerships that carried Honda. One, I could take in whatever I wanted, the other, we did not have time for the "old" stuff.

One of the problems with the older bikes is that it takes longer to find parts, in many cases, and that is not billable time.

Another issue is that if the shop has more than enough business supporting the new bike repairs, there is no point in taking on more work that generally requires more "time" and time is money in that industry. And there were times that adding another technician was financially impossible. Shops are expensive to run, most people have little to no business sense and it's not even worth discussing in most cases.

My other objection to the older bikes was simple - A customer would bring in a older bike wanting something fixed, and there would be a handful other items that needed to be addressed. Even with a signed wavier, it's just not my style to touch a motorcycle and then let it leave knowing it needs something else done. Just because the owner did not want to pay for it still may not protect me in a court of law.

In both cases, I knew and recommended local repair people who specialized in the repair of the older bikes.

But, in either case, if a bike came in that I was personally very familiar with, and the owner gave the right vibes, I'd fix it.
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Part of the equation is planned obsolescence. If the current Gold Wings were to run longer without repairs and replacement parts there would not be as many newer generation GL's sold. Even if parts were made available to keep the older Gold Wings on the road, most of us would want to pay the outrageous cost of the parts verses just buying a newer Gold Wing.
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I worked as a service manager for two dealerships that carried Honda. One, I could take in whatever I wanted, the other, we did not have time for the "old" stuff.

One of the problems with the older bikes is that it takes longer to find parts, in many cases, and that is not billable time.

Another issue is that if the shop has more than enough business supporting the new bike repairs, there is no point in taking on more work that generally requires more "time" and time is money in that industry. And there were times that adding another technician was financially impossible. Shops are expensive to run, most people have little to no business sense and it's not even worth discussing in most cases.

My other objection to the older bikes was simple - A customer would bring in a older bike wanting something fixed, and there would be a handful other items that needed to be addressed. Even with a signed wavier, it's just not my style to touch a motorcycle and then let it leave knowing it needs something else done. Just because the owner did not want to pay for it still may not protect me in a court of law.

In both cases, I knew and recommended local repair people who specialized in the repair of the older bikes.

But, in either case, if a bike came in that I was personally very familiar with, and the owner gave the right vibes, I'd fix it.
I get it. From a shop owners view, I get it. Always find a shop that has a working owner. Find someone that works in his business and takes care of his customers needs. Find someone that started a shop to service customers, satisfy and deliver quality work. Find someone that has to repair it himself if he screws the job up. Find someone that appreciates their customers patronage. Find someone that understands money doesn't grow on trees, or reproduce itself while sitting in your pocket. I see the above mentality displayed by transmission shop franchises that purchase their business as an investment. They do not have a full picture of the situation, and often fail. I never put money first and foremost in any repair. That same customer may decide to upgrade their machine and just never come back. Parts are being obsoleted much faster than 10 years these days. Manufacturers want to sell new bikes.
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I used to own a lawn tractor repair shop,in Michigan.
Most of my customers were people that had,and LOVED older machines,but couldn't get the dealers to repair them.
I did...for 15 years,and,I made many friends,and restored a LOT of older machines.
They were happy,and I was happy,and I would still be doing it,if the economy hadn't tanked so bad,that I lost my lease !
Why would I do it? LOVE OF THE MACHINE,AND PRIDE IN MY WORK !
Those are values that,today's techs don't understand ! They only want the $$$ !

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Ive found that alot in my area.You cant even get a answer to a problem.The local Harley shop owner is great.He told me from the start on my 83 interstate one carb at a time on the cleaning.
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