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While Technology is all fine & dandy, all it's doing is dumbing down driving. This leads to more stupid drivers & do we really need more stupid drivers on the road? Cars & Trucks with "Park Assist" or "Trailer Assist". If you don't know how to parallel park, you don't deserve a license. If you can not backup a trailer, you shouldn't be pulling it in the first place. Contrary to popular belief, Technology is NOT infallible, Just ask Boeing.
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Exactly. And it supposedly re-enabled itself after they turned it off...

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and that is a pure sin, the pilot should ALWAYS have the last word on how to fly the plane.

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and that is a pure sin, the pilot should ALWAYS have the last word on how to fly the plane.
Absolutely. If the technology isn't faulty, then why is the whole fleet grounded until it can be fixed????????


My whole point is, The more technology we get, the less driving skills the general public will have, and that's a bad thing.

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I will never forget what my flight instructor told me.


"No matter how bad the situation, you NEVER QUIT FLYING THE AIRPLANE"


a controlled crash is far better than one you just simply give up on a turn loose of the controls.


for the Boeing pilots, that opportunity was taken away from them.
left to their own devices, they would have recovered and the passengers would still be alive.

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I think there was an event with one of those planes in which the pilots DID simply turn the auto pilot off and regain control of the aircraft. That is how the researchers uncovered the problem so quickly.

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According to the CBS news, The plane that went down last fall, had the very same event the day before. A Pilot that has hitching a ride in the Jump Seat diagnosed the problem & knew what to do.
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Was the Boeing technology faulty, or did it flawlessly do what it was programmed to do?
The technology was not in error,it did as Dave said what it was programmed to do but it canít possable detect a faulty AOA sensor that had sustained damage and neither could the poor pilots.it very could have saved the airplane if all systems were operating properly.

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I saw a video on this the day after the first instance. The sensor was at fault, but once they figured out that the plane needed to be manually flown, they had to correct the AOA manually with a large flywheel like control under the throttle/thrust console. In the demonstration, they had spin the wheel what looked like 10-15 revolutions. At that point the simulator overshot the correction and the co-pilot was left chasing the correction, like loose steering.
I wonder if "Skully" could have flown out of it? He did an amazing job in the river landing.

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I saw a video on this the day after the first instance. The sensor was at fault, but once they figured out that the plane needed to be manually flown, they had to correct the AOA manually with a large flywheel like control under the throttle/thrust console. In the demonstration, they had spin the wheel what looked like 10-15 revolutions. At that point the simulator overshot the correction and the co-pilot was left chasing the correction, like loose steering.
I wonder if "Skully" could have flown out of it? He did an amazing job in the river landing.
AOA canít be corrected,itís simply a weighted wing type apparatus that is set on the front outside of the airplane,one issue was the throttles were never pulled back from takeoff power,should have happen before the issue happened,it caused the airplane to gain speed causing high pressure on the horizontal stabilizers and nearly impossible tho turn those wheels that could have brought the nose up but the speed the aircraft was gaining there just wasnít enough time or altitude to regain control.
Worked at Boeing 26 years and have complete faith in that airplane,that said,there should have been more intense training on that technology program,if you recall the Alaska plane that crashed off the coast of California,same issue except it was a frozen locked up lead screw,the same lead screw that controls the stabilizer on the 737 max.

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