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Post Ok I guess I will be chronicling my sidecar build and install.

Ok I have picked up the sidecar. It is supposedly a Spirit America. From the research so far it appears to be the protoype that California sidecar created the Friendship.
It is made of very thick ABS black plastic.. Can you say heavy? It has no cracks and supposedly has been being kicked around in back of garage for years. the frame has had the old swing arm and wheel removed. I plan on using a 500# torsion bar style swing arm. I am then gonna install a 12 inch style spoked trailer wheel and put a chrome wheel cover on it... Custom made cover of course.

I am going to weld in a solid 1/4 thick steel plate in the very middle. I then use this to mount the new torsion swingarm and also mount the hack down to the frame in eight points instead of the four it originally had. This way i know it will be more secure.

This all will be mounted to the GL1100A I am currently bringing back to life.

I am looking for mounts for the frame to body. I am willing to swap parts or cash. If parts it will be swap plus free shipping.

Tell me what ya all think. This is the way I can see that I can get back to riding, and look cool at it..
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It is an 1983 Aspencade..
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SidecarMike has pointed out many flaws in my plans tho...hmmmmm gonna have to think about extreme beefing up of frame. I plan on fully welding in a 1/4 inch thick plate steel in the middle to fill the entire middle with a second brace running down the middle. This will in effect gusset the corners. I will also be putting fill pieces of same steel plate in both the ends. I will then mount the torsion axle to the plate steel.
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Another picture of frame. I will beefing it up. Mike says he does not believe it would be good for my application? I have a tendency to agree with him, since he has obviously been riding hacks for a heck lot longer than me...lol


The frame is solid.. But needs attention.
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This is where the Previous Hacker....lol Like that? hacked the swing arm and wheel off....like that too? once again I plan on installing a torsion bar swing arm to the center steel when I weld it in.
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This is how I plan to install the sheet steel. The extra weight might even be good for stability? The blue area is where I would install plate steel. I suck at paint shop.....lol
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Copper204, I don't know anything about Sidecars But I do want to say Good Luck In your Project and I wish you much success.

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I need to correct some of the things I said!

First off, when you said a Spirit of America, I was thinking in terms of this;



This is the one I was describing. I didn't know that Spirit ever made the California I that you are showing. Yours is much heavier than the one I talked about.

It did have some failings, but I think you are already past them.

The best thing that happened was the original axle and hub are gone. It was a goofy arrangement that pressed together with a bronze bushing that wore very fast and would cause the wheel to fall off. If you go with the torsion axle, pay close attention to it's positioning. My daughter put one on hers and ended up with less than an inch of clearance between the top of the wheel and the body. Every time she hit a bump it would rub the glass.

The next problem area is the two lower mounts. They are cups that attach to small balls on the motorcycle frame. The trouble is the balls are too small and tend to shear off at the most inopportune times. They are about 1/2 the diameter of the ball mounts on an old BMW or Ural.

Here is a kit that Dauntless (http://www.mysidecar.com ) sells to fix that problem and mount this frame to your bike. You just remove your lower mounts and, I believe these will slide right in and clamp down. The ends with the bolts are heim joints that fit in to the two lower brackets shown. The upper two will mate with your existing adjustable rods. You should have two of those upper rods.



This frame is nearly twice the size of the one I described in my PM. You will not need that 1/4 inch plate, though you may still want to throw a bag or two of lead shot behind the seat for weight.



Sorry I tried to scare you off. This one will mate well to even a 1500 Wing.

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I have been e-mailing back and forth with HACKN in www.sidecar.com. He is confirming that the hack I have is apparently the prototype for the friendship. I wonder if that makes it more valuable and maybe I should not hack it up? nah... I will strengthen it with the plates. this will add weight and piece of mind. I will then be using the plate as the mounting point for the torsion. I will oval the mount holes so I can set specific toe in, and camber. i did this same type thing to my old friendship. It made it stable and also with oval holes I was able to ridged and straight. By this I mean the cart body was perfectly straight with bike frame. I used the adjustable holes and metal shim washers to set camber and toe in. I actually stole this from a guy from England that had posted it on the net years ago. The neat thing for me is a welder buddy. He will place the frame on his plasma table and trace the areas to be filled. The laser will then cut those pieces to a perfect fit.. Last time we had to slightly pursuad the piece into the frame. Th is will also allow me to better install the body securely. Yeah you had me scared. we will mount this up to the project bike. This way i will get it all figured out. It will then be removed and sold to my brother.. The hack that is. I have found another hack up in Redding, California. the guy wants a reasonable price for. It is a newer friendship 11.

HACKN appears to have the mounts I will need for this one. Probably the same mounts you were nice enough to show me in your post..

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