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This guy insists that he has a 87 GL 1500 Gold wing. I told him they didn't come out until 88, he said he has the title to prove it. I sent the the Gold Wing History from this site, also a video of the different year Gold Wing with pictures of each model and year. He still insists he has an 87 1500. You can see in the ad the bike is a mess and missing a lot of stuff, I don't think it will ever sell and if it does the buyer will play heck trying to register it. In Calif on the title there is a place for YEAR FIRST SOLD, I think that is maybe what he is looking at, since the 88 Wing came out the end of 87.
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Could very well be he's got a lot title bike and the VIN sticker on showing manufacture date. I have a Yamaha Virago 700 V-twin that is an 85 but shows manufacture date on the VIN sticker of September 84. What a pain trying to work my titling issue with it being a barn find with 2.4 miles on it! He honestly may not know the model was manufactured before the model year was actually sold on the market. It could be a pain to title and insure like mine.

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In California, way back when, a motorcycle was given the year model of the year it was first sold, regardless of manufacture date. That may have been nation-wide, don't know, but I think that was changed long before '88 though.
 

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A friend of mine bought one of the first 1500 wings, it was late 1987 he took delivery but the title still said 88. I think any one buying that guys bike will have a hard time registering it/.
 

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That's about the same as the 2007 Chevy Silverado. There were some 2006 that t had the same body as the 2006. Titles as 2007. chevy called them the 2007 Silverado Classic. Both body styles were released in 2007.
Sounds like the 1500 was an early production model that the dealer inadvertently titled as a 1987.

The only way to verify is to run the VIN number and see what the build date is.
 

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titles

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If the title is a fake it can be a big problem.
It is not uncommon for vehicles to have a title with a different year than the date of manufacture. Think of left over stock that does not get titled until sold. Sometimes several years pass. You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.


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Why not just look at the VIN plate on the steering neck.

Also: (taken from another thread) The VIN is physically stamped into the steering head. A 17 digit VIN has been used since 1980. US only. The first digit is the country of world headquarters/origin, 2nd is the manufacturer, third model line, eighth is the engine, tenth the year (A is 80, (no I, O, Q) Y is2000, 1-9 up to 2009 then alphabetic again from 2010)eleventh is the plant code and twelve through seventeen is the specific number produced
 

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Adding to what Dingdong posted above, here is the VIN 10th digit codes.


The tenth digit in the VIN signifies the year the motor vehicle
was manufactured. This digit can be either alphabetic or numeric.
The following chart is for 1980 until the year 2039.

A 1980 Y 2000 L 2020
B 1981 1 2001 M 2021
C 1982 2 2002 N 2022
D 1983 3 2003 P 2023
E 1984 4 2004 R 2024
F 1985 5 2005 S 2025
G 1986 6 2006 T 2026
H 1987 7 2007 V 2027
J 1988 8 2008 W 2028
K 1989 9 2009 X 2029
L 1990 A 2010 Y 2030
M 1991 B 2011 1 2031
N 1992 C 2012 2 2032
P 1993 D 2013 3 2033
R 1994 E 2014 4 2034
S 1995 F 2015 5 2035
T 1996 G 2016 6 2036
V 1997 H 2017 7 2037
W 1998 J 2018 8 2038
X 1999 K 2019 9 2039
 

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It is not uncommon for vehicles to have a title with a different year than the date of manufacture. Think of left over stock that does not get titled until sold. Sometimes several years pass. You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.


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If what your saying is true a left over Gold Wing from 2015 is sold in 2019 then the title would say it's a 2019 model??

The title in Calif says Year Make Year Model and Issue date, the model year never changes from what it is by the manufacturer the date that it is sold, or issue date can change It dowesn't matter when it is sold the model year is still the same.
 

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Not everyone lives in California.

Why don't you buy the bike and report the results back to us?


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It is not uncommon for vehicles to have a title with a different year than the date of manufacture. Think of left over stock that does not get titled until sold. Sometimes several years pass. You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.


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All motor vehicles AFAIK (in the US) are titled as the manufacturers production year indicated in the VIN# no matter when it was sold. Other things, like a farm tractor for instance are designated as the year sold. If the guy has a title indicating an 87 1500 the VIN tag and the frame stamp should be carefully inspected.
 

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All motor vehicles AFAIK (in the US) are titled as the manufacturers production year indicated in the VIN# no matter when it was sold. Other things, like a farm tractor for instance are designated as the year sold. If the guy has a title indicating an 87 1500 the VIN tag and the frame stamp should be carefully inspected.
Thanks Dave,

However, I have a Suzuki RV125 titled as a 1973. I just checked the plate on the steering stem and it was manufactured in 12/72. My titled 2002 Goldwing has a manufactured date of 11/01. Both these bikes are titled in Oregon. I also noticed this years ago when I lived in Kansas.

I guess some states are different.

Who knew?


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Thanks Dave,

However, I have a Suzuki RV125 titled as a 1973. I just checked the plate on the steering stem and it was manufactured in 12/72. My titled 2002 Goldwing has a manufactured date of 11/01. Both these bikes are titled in Oregon. I also noticed this years ago when I lived in Kansas.

I guess some states are different.

Who knew?


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Exactly, your goldwing IS a 2002 model as indicated by the VIN tag, even though it was built in 2001. I'm sure your Suzuki is a 1973 model made in 1972. My 2010 goldwing was built 5/09. The US rules state that a vehicle built after Jan 1st can be sold as the next year model.
 

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Strange folks at some DMVs.


I met my wife when I was a young trooper trainee and she ran a DMV office, that was soon to be 40 years ago, great acquisition. Met Dec 26, 1978 …. married Aug. 11, 1979. One of best things to happen to me …. ever.


BUT ….. our 1997 GL-1500SE / Lehman trike has exactly and only 3 wheels in contact with the roadway. The guy …. a friend actually …. who did the conversion when he was a dealer / installer in 1998 to what was then he and his wife's first Gold Wing was told by his local DMV office that it need to be re-registered and they called it simply "road - street". There was not then, nor is there now …. any statutory definition of such in Virginia law, it remains a "motorcycle" as defined by code, I brought this to attention of my DMV office when we transferred ownership in 2004, the seemingly mindless twit maintained that she had no idea what I was talking about.

I have told my wife more than once, that I saved her from having her brains sucked out by DMV.




https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapter1/section46.2-100/ said:
"Motorcycle" means every motor vehicle designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground and is capable of traveling at speeds in excess of 35 miles per hour. "Motorcycle" does not include any "autocycle," "electric personal assistive mobility device," "electric power-assisted bicycle," "farm tractor," "golf cart," "moped," "motorized skateboard or foot-scooter," "utility vehicle," or "wheelchair or wheelchair conveyance" as defined in this section.
 

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The year date is often different than the manufacture year. That is common practice on anything that gets a designated year date. If you want a 2019 GL you can buy one right now. Obviously it was built in 2018. (Possibly 2017 or earlier...?) It will have a year model written on the plate. It will also have a manufacture date. All just as yours.


As said in post 6, some machines, including motorcycles, didn't actually have the year designated and the machine would be listed/titled as the first year first sold. That meant you could have a new machine, built 5 years previous, being sold, as new, 3 years after the upgraded replacement version was being marketed and sold.
 

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My last post on this subject

So, long story short. This guy could have a 1988 model built and titled in 1987.


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