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For those with 2018+ Wings who use a headset, this post is to help:
1) those of us who choose Bluetooth comms to understand what the capabilities and limitations of each configuration option are and
2) everyone (wired or Bluetooth) to know of a best practice for connecting your phone to your headset.
This isn't a debate about whether blue tooth or wired is best nor is it a debate about what headset is best.

Both Sena and Cardo reps said it is best to only use one path at a time between the phone and the headset.

For Folks with Bluetooth headsets - there are three (3) paths from your phone to your headset
a) phone to bike via wired (USB) then bike to headset,​
b) phone to bike via wireless (BT) then bike to headset,​
c) phone directly to headset wireless (BT)​

For folks with wired headsets - there are two (2) paths from your phone to your headset
a) phone to bike via wired (USB) then bike to headset via J&M adapter,​
b) phone to bike via wireless (BT) then bike to to headset via J&M adapter​

Per the Sena and Cardo reps, even folks with wired headsets should turn off the phone to bike Bluetooth connection (if they have it) when plugging the phone into the USB on the bike.

As discussed in many other threads, figuring out your start up /connection sequence for the headset, bike, and phone is key for folks using Bluetooth headsets

Assumption: Headset(s) are connected with the bike (wireless or wired)

Help decision making easier:

Wireless Headset (Blue Tooth)

For folks running wireless there are two key choices that need to be made:

Choice 1 - either connect your phone to bike (USB or BT) or connect your phone to headset (BT)

then, if choosing to connect your phone to the bike

Choice 2 – either connect phone to bike via USB or connect your phone to the bike via BT.

If choosing USB, the best practice is, on your phone, to turn off BT pairing with the bike

Make those choices based on the capabilities you need/want.
The key capabilities can be found in the small tables on the lower left of each configuration

Wired Headset
For folks running wired there is one key choice that needs to be made

Choice 1 – either connect phone to bike via USB or connect your phone to the bike via BT.

If choosing USB, the best practice is, on your phone, to turn off BT pairing with the bike

Make that choice based on the capabilities you need/want.

Example 1:
You are using a wireless headset. Your phone will be mounted on the handlebars. You want to use the CoPilot app on your phone for route navigation. CoPilot voice commands will not route through the bike to the headset. You would like to be able to receive phone calls. You don’t care about getting text messages. You don’t care about hands free voice commands.

Choice 1: Pair your headset to your phone. On your phone disable the Bluetooth connection with the bike

Choice 2: Not Applicable

Example 2:
You are using a wireless headset. Your phone will be in the center pocket or mounted on handlebars. You want to play music or a pod cast on your phone. You would like to be able to receive phone calls. You don’t care about getting text messages. You don’t care about hands free voice commands.

Choice 1: Connect your headset to the bike.

Choice 2: Pair your phone to the bike via Bluetooth. On your phone disable the Bluetooth connection with the headset

Example 3:
You are using a wireless headset. You want to use Rever, In Route, or Scenic for route navigation. You want to be able to interact with Rever, In Route, or Scenic to modify the route if needed. You would like hands free voice commands. You would like to be able to receive phone calls and listen to and respond to texts messages

Choice 1: Connect your headset to the bike.

Choice 2: Connect your phone to the bike via USB. Your phone will be in the center pocket. On your phone disable the Bluetooth connection with the bike and the headset.

Note: For Example 3, you can leave the Bluetooth connection between the bike and phone enabled but if there is a small chance the BT pairing will not be fully shut off automatically by the phone or bike and cause. If that happens, conflicts and failures may occur.

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Option 1 works well for Android 11.
My only complaint would be that the rider Comm unit needs to be ON and linked to the bike for Android Auto to work.
To avoid the heat of the glove box, my phone is mounted on the handlebars.
There are reports of bouncy bar mounts killing iPhone cameras.

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Option 1 works well for Android 11.
My only complaint would be that the rider Comm unit needs to be ON and linked to the bike for Android Auto to work.
To avoid the heat of the glove box, my phone is mounted on the handlebars.
There are reports of bouncy bar mounts killing iPhone cameras.

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Dish,
Like you, I wish it was all bluetooth but when the bike was being designed Android Auto and Apple Car Play required the wire. I doubt Honda will ever upgrade.

There are wireless adapters for Apple Car Play on the market and it looks like wireless adapters for Android Auto are in the works. Here is a link.
I haven't tried one yet, hoping Santa will put me on the nice list vice giving me a piece of coal ;)

My Iphone X is always in the center pocket and plugged in. Haven't had an overheated phone yet, though it did get hot when out in the Mojave Desert and later in the Central Valley this past summer. Was running ACP both times.
I think phone cases are also a factor with the heat. Will be installing Traxxion Dynamics center pocket cool wrap when I do the air filter. I don't like anything hanging on my handle bars.

Bouncy bars kill cell phone camera's.
Here is the official stance from apple. Suspect Apple got tired of cost of warranty replacements for phones being placed in environments outside of design spec.

I know of two Android Phone users (Samsung) that have had their camera's killed from being mounting on handle bars. Both on Harley's.

What headset are you using?

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IMO,
mounting a Smartphone on the handlebars is a Dumb Idea.
I bought the X-grip from RAM and tried it once to hold my Samsung Note4, it almost hit the pavement before I managed to grab it just as it got c.o.c.k-eyed in the X-bracket

that was the end of putting the phone on the handlebars, or on the bike anywhere for that matter,
after that, it went into my pockets, period.
 
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