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lets hope that everyone involved are okay and a few lessons are learned
lets hope that everyone involved are okay and a few lessons are learned
5-Motorcycle Crash On I-90 Delays Traffic
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The Wisconsin State Patrol said five people were injured, one of them critically, in the crash that developed when traffic in front of the cyclists slowed down.
One of those injured, a 47-year-old from Denmark, suffered life-threatening injuries and was transported by Med Flight helicopter.
The State Patrol said that 60 members of an international motorcycle group were traveling on the interstate. The State Patrol said the bikers were speeding and following too closely in their group.
"They were traveling in excess of the speed limit and they were following way too closely. Traffic had slowed a little in front of them due to heavy traffic volume, (and) they weren't able to react in time to that," said Lt. Brad Altman, of the Wisconsin State Patrol. "Whether it's one motorcycle or 100 motorcycles, they need to be operating responsibly on the roads and following the traffic laws by wearing the appropriate safety equipment that's available to them. None of the cyclists had helmets on."
The crash happened at about 10:30 a.m. in the westbound lanes of the interstate. All lanes were blocked for more than an hour, but traffic got moving again shortly before noon Friday.
Traffic was backed up for 10 to 15 miles Friday after the crash.
Jeff Martin, a member of the motorcycling group that was heading to Onalaska for an annual picnic, said group members are "people who enjoy riding motorcycles and a clean and sober lifestyle."
Some members headed for the hospital to support those injured in the crash.
Motorcycle fatalities in Wisconsin are on the rise. The state Department of Transportation said it has seen a major jump in deaths this year compared to last year.
In 2009, there have been 46 motorcycle fatalities from January to June. There were 28 motorcycle fatalities in the same period last year.
The Department of Transportation said that unlike Friday's crash, most crashes involve just one motorcycle.
"A lot of those riders just need to make sure they understand the properties of the motorcycle and what it takes to operate it. And another disturbing trend that we see is a lot of motorcyclists are not properly licensed," said Maj. Daniel Lonsdorf, of the Wisconsin Department of Transportation.
The DOT said it has found that many motorcycle crashes are a result of control problems.
Link to article.
http://www.channel3000.com/traffic/19939571/detail.html
The Wisconsin State Patrol said five people were injured, one of them critically, in the crash that developed when traffic in front of the cyclists slowed down.
One of those injured, a 47-year-old from Denmark, suffered life-threatening injuries and was transported by Med Flight helicopter.
The State Patrol said that 60 members of an international motorcycle group were traveling on the interstate. The State Patrol said the bikers were speeding and following too closely in their group.
"They were traveling in excess of the speed limit and they were following way too closely. Traffic had slowed a little in front of them due to heavy traffic volume, (and) they weren't able to react in time to that," said Lt. Brad Altman, of the Wisconsin State Patrol. "Whether it's one motorcycle or 100 motorcycles, they need to be operating responsibly on the roads and following the traffic laws by wearing the appropriate safety equipment that's available to them. None of the cyclists had helmets on."
The crash happened at about 10:30 a.m. in the westbound lanes of the interstate. All lanes were blocked for more than an hour, but traffic got moving again shortly before noon Friday.
Traffic was backed up for 10 to 15 miles Friday after the crash.
Jeff Martin, a member of the motorcycling group that was heading to Onalaska for an annual picnic, said group members are "people who enjoy riding motorcycles and a clean and sober lifestyle."
Some members headed for the hospital to support those injured in the crash.
Motorcycle fatalities in Wisconsin are on the rise. The state Department of Transportation said it has seen a major jump in deaths this year compared to last year.
In 2009, there have been 46 motorcycle fatalities from January to June. There were 28 motorcycle fatalities in the same period last year.
The Department of Transportation said that unlike Friday's crash, most crashes involve just one motorcycle.
"A lot of those riders just need to make sure they understand the properties of the motorcycle and what it takes to operate it. And another disturbing trend that we see is a lot of motorcyclists are not properly licensed," said Maj. Daniel Lonsdorf, of the Wisconsin Department of Transportation.
The DOT said it has found that many motorcycle crashes are a result of control problems.
Link to article.
http://www.channel3000.com/traffic/19939571/detail.html
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I don't think anyone has died. There was another accident that some one had died but I think it was related to the fog.
I don't think anyone has died. There was another accident that some one had died but I think it was related to the fog.
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I question the distance that our groups follows. They say 1 1/2 sec in split formation but if there is ever a sudden stop, I fear there are going to be many cycles all stacked up. I have put over a million miles in our highways accident free and I can't count how many times I was safe from involvement due to the following distance I keep. I wish the Motorcycle associations would advise of longer following distances, realizing that even though you are in a staggered formation, a few seconds on a Motorcycle that has less ability to stop needs more distance betweeen them, not to mention that ALL Riders do not react at the same time. I look to see more group accidents in the future due to the short distance they keep from one another even in a staggered formation. Just my 2 cents worth.
I question the distance that our groups follows. They say 1 1/2 sec in split formation but if there is ever a sudden stop, I fear there are going to be many cycles all stacked up. I have put over a million miles in our highways accident free and I can't count how many times I was safe from involvement due to the following distance I keep. I wish the Motorcycle associations would advise of longer following distances, realizing that even though you are in a staggered formation, a few seconds on a Motorcycle that has less ability to stop needs more distance betweeen them, not to mention that ALL Riders do not react at the same time. I look to see more group accidents in the future due to the short distance they keep from one another even in a staggered formation. Just my 2 cents worth.
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I've only ridden in a couple groups, and I'm nervous when someone I don't know follows me to closely. I'ld rather, lead,,, or tailgun
I hate being mixed in the middle.
I've only ridden in a couple groups, and I'm nervous when someone I don't know follows me to closely. I'ld rather, lead,,, or tailgun
I hate being mixed in the middle.
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When and I use the term 'when' I ride with a group. I tell them I can stop a whole lot faster than a two wheeler. I prefer to say to the back. Some don't like that, I don't want to put others in any kind of danger from me, if I think they are following to closely, I pull out, and go on myself.
That was a sad article. It's happening so much more.
When and I use the term 'when' I ride with a group. I tell them I can stop a whole lot faster than a two wheeler. I prefer to say to the back. Some don't like that, I don't want to put others in any kind of danger from me, if I think they are following to closely, I pull out, and go on myself.
That was a sad article. It's happening so much more.
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I agree. I have seen some of these harley riders side by side riding in a group. They don't even bother with staggering. I wouldn't do it.
I agree. I have seen some of these harley riders side by side riding in a group. They don't even bother with staggering. I wouldn't do it.
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bwssr wrote:
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Who said Harley riders? In the photo I saw Harley and a Goldwing. It could have been a real mixed group. We must stop stereotyping.I agree. I have seen some of these harley riders side by side riding in a group. They don't even bother with staggering. I wouldn't do it.
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D-Rod wrote:
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:action:i`m with you there D-ROD . :cheeky1:bwssr wrote:
Who said Harley riders? In the photo I saw Harley and a Goldwing. It could have been a real mixed group. We must stop stereotyping.I agree. I have seen some of these harley riders side by side riding in a group. They don't even bother with staggering. I wouldn't do it.
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I was just making a comment on harley groups in general not this particular case.
I was just making a comment on harley groups in general not this particular case.
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Sad to saw the least.. We had 2 kill in my area over the forth.. One had a SUV turn in front of him and I'm not sure about the other..
Got to be on your toes a all times...........
Sad to saw the least.. We had 2 kill in my area over the forth.. One had a SUV turn in front of him and I'm not sure about the other..
Got to be on your toes a all times...........
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stereotype or not i see way to many Harley riders riding way to close together
i got invited to go on a ride with a group of mostly Harley riders about 10 years ago, in my opinion they were all riding to close, when we got to the first stop they wanted to help me, nicely told me i needed to follow a little closer, i told them hey we were ALL riding way to close together and if something went wrong like a deer run through the group we could windup paying a big price, they mostly shrugged it off and said i would get used to it, well i rode with them for one more stop and decided it just was not for me and never rode with the group again, they are verynice folks but a very seriousaccident waiting to happen
stereotype or not i see way to many Harley riders riding way to close together
i got invited to go on a ride with a group of mostly Harley riders about 10 years ago, in my opinion they were all riding to close, when we got to the first stop they wanted to help me, nicely told me i needed to follow a little closer, i told them hey we were ALL riding way to close together and if something went wrong like a deer run through the group we could windup paying a big price, they mostly shrugged it off and said i would get used to it, well i rode with them for one more stop and decided it just was not for me and never rode with the group again, they are verynice folks but a very seriousaccident waiting to happen
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It doesn't matter what kind of ride you're on. GROUPS ride too tight...Harley, Goldwing, or Moped. The biggest danger in a group ride is that most of the time there are no established protocols for things like hand signals, and passing them back through the pack.
I agree with D-Rod. I'm personally sick of seeing Harley riders slagged out every time something like this happens. I saw another thread in the Misc forum earlier where someone was complaining about snobby Goldwing riders...and this type of thing leads me to believe that just because I don't see it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
It doesn't matter what kind of ride you're on. GROUPS ride too tight...Harley, Goldwing, or Moped. The biggest danger in a group ride is that most of the time there are no established protocols for things like hand signals, and passing them back through the pack.
I agree with D-Rod. I'm personally sick of seeing Harley riders slagged out every time something like this happens. I saw another thread in the Misc forum earlier where someone was complaining about snobby Goldwing riders...and this type of thing leads me to believe that just because I don't see it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
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Staggered formations might not help much either. It helps if everyone stops in a straight line but if something comes up and bikes start swerving to avoid something the stagger isn't going to help much, the only answer is to keep a good long interval. The worst thing about large groups of bikes on the road is when they are going slow. It makes it difficult or impossible for traffic to pass the group. In most states it's illegal to hold up more than four or five vehicles behind you on two lane roads but I've never seen a motorcycle group use a pull off lane to allow traffice to pass.
Staggered formations might not help much either. It helps if everyone stops in a straight line but if something comes up and bikes start swerving to avoid something the stagger isn't going to help much, the only answer is to keep a good long interval. The worst thing about large groups of bikes on the road is when they are going slow. It makes it difficult or impossible for traffic to pass the group. In most states it's illegal to hold up more than four or five vehicles behind you on two lane roads but I've never seen a motorcycle group use a pull off lane to allow traffice to pass.
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I have been on one group ride. The event was a toy run but it will be my one and only. Its simply not my cup of tea.
I have been on one group ride. The event was a toy run but it will be my one and only. Its simply not my cup of tea.
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One year ago, I was involved in just such an incident. There was 6 of us, and I was the lead bike. Cruising along at 50-60, and all of a sudden, traffic had slowed/stopped on the interstate. I hit the brakes, and alternated between looking ahead and behind (in the mirrors). The lady behind me ended up locking up the rear wheel of her Harley, and going into a skid which eventually flipped her off her harley, which then became a riderless Harley headed straight for me.
It ended up that her bike just "bumped" mine, and very little damage to her bike. Not so lucky for her. Trip to hospital with concussion, screwed up neck and back.
Now, we never rode in "formation" just comfortably along, but after that incident, I told everyone, (I am the defacto leader of the group) that we simply do our own thing going from point A to point B, especially on the Interstate. Much better and safer that way.
Glad to report she is back riding again, but it was touch and go if she would ever ride again. Really shook her up.
One year ago, I was involved in just such an incident. There was 6 of us, and I was the lead bike. Cruising along at 50-60, and all of a sudden, traffic had slowed/stopped on the interstate. I hit the brakes, and alternated between looking ahead and behind (in the mirrors). The lady behind me ended up locking up the rear wheel of her Harley, and going into a skid which eventually flipped her off her harley, which then became a riderless Harley headed straight for me.
It ended up that her bike just "bumped" mine, and very little damage to her bike. Not so lucky for her. Trip to hospital with concussion, screwed up neck and back.
Now, we never rode in "formation" just comfortably along, but after that incident, I told everyone, (I am the defacto leader of the group) that we simply do our own thing going from point A to point B, especially on the Interstate. Much better and safer that way.
Glad to report she is back riding again, but it was touch and go if she would ever ride again. Really shook her up.
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I've been invited on some group runs but have declined. I love camaraderie but should I choose to join a group ride, I will likely get from point A to B on my own and then join the group at the stop site. I don't like the idea of riding in a pack.
I've been invited on some group runs but have declined. I love camaraderie but should I choose to join a group ride, I will likely get from point A to B on my own and then join the group at the stop site. I don't like the idea of riding in a pack.
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Ride your own ride. I was in a group ride of 160 bikes a few weeks back. I kept the distance I was comfortable with in front. Had a rider who staggered stayed in my blind spot, running past me then backing off etc. Just plain not safe. Couldn't find him after the ride to talk to him about his riding style in a group. Oh well. Just will not do group rides unless I know the riders.
Ride your own ride. I was in a group ride of 160 bikes a few weeks back. I kept the distance I was comfortable with in front. Had a rider who staggered stayed in my blind spot, running past me then backing off etc. Just plain not safe. Couldn't find him after the ride to talk to him about his riding style in a group. Oh well. Just will not do group rides unless I know the riders.
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Was in group ride last month,maybe 100-120 bikes.Rode 120 miles n an escorted (law enforcement) ride.
Same craziness, I usually keep anice comfortable interval,stay in the curb lane,& ride my own ride,only to have some one pass on the left & cut in front of meso they can get to the front of the pack or catch up with his buddy!
The problem is,the larger the group, the lack of skill level rises exponentially
OK to ride maybe 20-30 miles, but any further, only asking for trouble on the road.
Oh,& did I mention the stress of wanting to choke something ???:cheeky1:
Was in group ride last month,maybe 100-120 bikes.Rode 120 miles n an escorted (law enforcement) ride.
Same craziness, I usually keep anice comfortable interval,stay in the curb lane,& ride my own ride,only to have some one pass on the left & cut in front of meso they can get to the front of the pack or catch up with his buddy!
The problem is,the larger the group, the lack of skill level rises exponentially
OK to ride maybe 20-30 miles, but any further, only asking for trouble on the road.
Oh,& did I mention the stress of wanting to choke something ???:cheeky1:
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I sometimes ride in a group of about 10 - 11 bikes and everyday we ride we go over the rules we have set up. Minimum 2 - 3 second intervals, stagger and were we go in case we have to scatter. We ride at the fastest speed the slowest rider is comfortable with. We try to make safety our first concern and getting to the destinationenjoyable for everyone. Ride the way you are comfortable and if the group isn't OK with that, find a new group. Randy
I sometimes ride in a group of about 10 - 11 bikes and everyday we ride we go over the rules we have set up. Minimum 2 - 3 second intervals, stagger and were we go in case we have to scatter. We ride at the fastest speed the slowest rider is comfortable with. We try to make safety our first concern and getting to the destinationenjoyable for everyone. Ride the way you are comfortable and if the group isn't OK with that, find a new group. Randy
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